NQ1965
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Well nobody else has brought this up, and it's a pretty hot topic in our nation right now, Illegal Immigration.
You have to hand it to her, she is the only politician that has acted on what the American public has been screaming about for years now, and exposing our federal governments scandals of cover up and evade on enforcing "Federal" illegal immigration laws.
She's a gutsy woman and she's making Congress and the Obama administration look bad.
I'm also interested in everyones perspective on the topic of Profiling. My thoughts are admit it or not, we all get profiled regularly in one fashion or another, and the law goes too far to block Profiling, and it's not all racial. And we also have to prove your identity regularly with documentation.
Let's hear it, give me your thoughts and tell me something I don't know.
Edited by NQ1965 (07/29/10 09:26 AM)
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freeh
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I support her and the law in Arizona.
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My Mom lives in Mesa, AZ and has been telling me about the situation.
http://www.janbrewer.com/
http://www.janbrewer.com/article/statement-by-governor-jan-brewer-on-sb-1070
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freeh
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Ask your mom how people in that state still support John McCain. He is up for re-election and is polling 20 points ahead of his competitor for the Republican nomination. That blows my mind. He is one of the reasons illegal immigration is such a problem in the state in the first place.
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NQ1965
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Another detail that I just recently had my eyes opened up to. Sanctuary states & cities. Cities and states that protect and provide safe residence to illegal immigrants. Sadly, Ohio is on the list.
Sanctuary
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I admire what she's trying to do, and can't believe that the federal judge undermined the effort. It only strengthens my belief that Obama and his cronies are trying to sink this country by trying to have government do everything for those that won't, and make the rest of us pay for it.
Can't have the law as it was written because of the expense it would be to those having to produce ID. What about the expense to the taxpayers who have to support all these illegals who don't contribute to the system, but only serve to drain it? USA Today quoted some government official as saying "We can't have 50 different ways of handling immigration". How about having one, and ENFORCING it? The one we have isn't working.
Everyone wants to make this about race- IT ISN'T. It's just like terrorists and airport checkpoints. It's not the 90-year old crippled grandmother who is carrying bombs, it's the middle-easterners. It's not the born citizens, it's a certain group who comprises the illegal aliens. It's not profiling when you're following a pattern. If we had less bleeding heart liberals who think everyone who wants to come here should be able to and not have to follow the rules and laws that everyone else has to, we'd be further ahead. Check out other country's rules for immigration and you can see we've got it all wrong. Mexico won't let just anyone in, won't let just anyone become a citizen, and you don't get full rights even after you do, since you weren't born there. Ironic? They all come here and we hand them everything for nothing.
I got a good email the other day, detailing some of the things that would change if 20 million illegals left this country. Far fetched, but intriguing. And the result is not at all negative, if the numbers quoted are accurate.
Sorry, but I've had my fill of "press one for English". It all should be in English, you should have to learn it and USE it to be in this country. Once upon a time, there wasn't pushbutton phones. Immigrants learned the language, or didn't participate in the system, but remained in groups where they spoke the same. Segregation? Nope, just stayed where it worked for them, not force everyone else to work around FOR them. Imagine the MILLIONS of dollars spent translating and producing laws, documents, forms, etc. in Spanish (mainly) and other languages. ENGLISH only!
You should work and pay your share of the expenses, not have it handed to you as a welcome gift.
Children born to illegals should not have citizenship bestowed on them just because they're born here. If the parents aren't legal, the children shouldn't be either. Whoever thought that one up didn't have the foresight to see what the resulting issues would be, i.e., difficulties deporting parents as illegals when the kids are "citizens" and have no one to care for them.
Sorry if this offends anyone, but I'm not alone in thinking it's time to get the house in order again. I'm tired of paying for people to be here that just don't want to follow the rules. Illegal means "not legal". Put your deck of race cards away and enforce the law, either the ones we have, or new ones that we should have.
Rant off.
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freeh
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Well said! Could not agree more.
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NQ1965
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Yea, all pretty good points.
And your right, it's not so much a race issue. It seems the majority of Mexican immigrants are very productive people, have admirable work ethics, and most are family oriented and ideally want better lives for themselves and their families, and their own country is going to hell right now and is out of control. And of course drugs and illegal activities are always a byproduct of chaos.
But it makes no sense to be so stringent at airport customs and so loose on southern land borders. And we all know that congress is protecting their campaign contributing back pocket special interest groups, at the expense of all American tax payers and middle class communities.
If any one of us were to enter another country, and then illegally overstay our visit, then they have every right to hunt you down and deport, or even incarcerate if that's the law of their land.
If I were a member of Congress, the House, The Senate, or the President, I would be ashamed and embarrassed to have a small gal like Jan Brewer, a state Governor, telling me to "DO YOUR JOB" and "ENFORCE THE LAWS".
Obama isn't the first president to avoid dealing with this, and if you paid attention during his campaign speech's, he always just hid behind the fake curtain of "Immigration Reform" which is a fancy way of saying, that I'm going to avoid this. He never stated that he would strongly enforce the laws.
Bush and Clinton both had 8 years to deal with it and avoided it as well. And Hilliary Clinton counted on the Hispanic vote to get her into office so she surely wasn't going to touch it either.
Edited by NQ1965 (07/30/10 07:04 AM)
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I admire what she's trying to do, and can't believe that the federal judge undermined the effort. It only strengthens my belief that Obama and his cronies are trying to sink this country by trying to have government do everything for those that won't, and make the rest of us pay for it.
Can't have the law as it was written because of the expense it would be to those having to produce ID. What about the expense to the taxpayers who have to support all these illegals who don't contribute to the system, but only serve to drain it? USA Today quoted some government official as saying "We can't have 50 different ways of handling immigration". How about having one, and ENFORCING it? The one we have isn't working.
Everyone wants to make this about race- IT ISN'T. It's just like terrorists and airport checkpoints. It's not the 90-year old crippled grandmother who is carrying bombs, it's the middle-easterners. It's not the born citizens, it's a certain group who comprises the illegal aliens. It's not profiling when you're following a pattern. If we had less bleeding heart liberals who think everyone who wants to come here should be able to and not have to follow the rules and laws that everyone else has to, we'd be further ahead. Check out other country's rules for immigration and you can see we've got it all wrong. Mexico won't let just anyone in, won't let just anyone become a citizen, and you don't get full rights even after you do, since you weren't born there. Ironic? They all come here and we hand them everything for nothing.
I got a good email the other day, detailing some of the things that would change if 20 million illegals left this country. Far fetched, but intriguing. And the result is not at all negative, if the numbers quoted are accurate.
Sorry, but I've had my fill of "press one for English". It all should be in English, you should have to learn it and USE it to be in this country. Once upon a time, there wasn't pushbutton phones. Immigrants learned the language, or didn't participate in the system, but remained in groups where they spoke the same. Segregation? Nope, just stayed where it worked for them, not force everyone else to work around FOR them. Imagine the MILLIONS of dollars spent translating and producing laws, documents, forms, etc. in Spanish (mainly) and other languages. ENGLISH only!
You should work and pay your share of the expenses, not have it handed to you as a welcome gift.
Children born to illegals should not have citizenship bestowed on them just because they're born here. If the parents aren't legal, the children shouldn't be either. Whoever thought that one up didn't have the foresight to see what the resulting issues would be, i.e., difficulties deporting parents as illegals when the kids are "citizens" and have no one to care for them.
Sorry if this offends anyone, but I'm not alone in thinking it's time to get the house in order again. I'm tired of paying for people to be here that just don't want to follow the rules. Illegal means "not legal". Put your deck of race cards away and enforce the law, either the ones we have, or new ones that we should have.
Rant off.
I could not have said it any better. Jan Brewer is making a statement, and I hope she stands strong.
There are public schools now in SW US that are spanish only speaking schools. That is nuts.
On a side note.....my wife and I were flying out of Phoenix in May. We had these Indian (from India) looking guys in front of us going through TSA. They both looked like they had blankets wrapped around them a couple times for their clothing......both walked right through TSA......no issues. Pulled to the side getting wanded was a elserly couple probably 80+. His wife was getting wanded as was he. She had a wheel chair. There was also a handicapped little boy about 7 or 8 in a wheel chair and his father was having to pick him up out of the chair to get him all wanded..........crazy! I will take my chances hoping on a plane with the elderly couple and the mom and dad with the handicapped child.....LET THEM MOVE ON! As for the two indian guys in the king size blankets wrapped around them, how about pulling them to the side and wanding them for my safty! TSA at airports are scared to death to pull a middle eastern person aside for fear of profiling. But yet they pull aside people that I would NEVER be afraid to get on a plane with, even if they were not checked.
Profiling is a great tool for law enforement to use in my opinion.
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Oh c'mon now, everyone knows profiling is unethical and you shouldn't do that!
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NQ1965
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A co-worker sent this to me in an email:
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Interesting.
Missouri's approach to the problem of illegal immigration appears to be more advanced, sophisticated, strict and effective than anything to date in Arizona. Do the loonies in San Francisco, or the White House, appreciate what Missouri has done? When are our fearless President and his dynamic Attorney General going to take action to require Missouri start accepting illegal immigrants once again?
So, why doesn't Missouri receive attention?
Answer: There are no Mexican illegal's in Missouri to demonstrate
The "Show Me" state has once again showed us how it should be done.
There needs to be more publicity and exposure regarding what Missouri has done.
Let's pass it around.
In 2007, Missouri placed on the ballot a proposed constitutional amendment designating English as the official language of Missouri. In November, 2008, nearly 90% voting in favor! Thus English became the official language for ALL governmental activity in Missouri.
No individual has the right to demand government services in a language OTHER than English.
In 2008 a measure was passed that required the Missouri Highway Patrol and other law enforcement officials to verify the immigration status of any person arrested, and inform federal authorities if the person is found to be in Missouri illegally. Missouri law enforcement offices receive specific training with respect to enforcement of federal immigration laws.
In Missouri illegal immigrants do NOT have access to taxpayers benefits such as food stamps and health care through Missouri HealthNET. In 2009 a measure was passed that ensures Missouri's public institutions of higher education do NOT award financial aid to individuals who are illegally in the United States.
In Missouri all post-secondary institutions of higher education to annually certify to the Missouri Dept. of Higher Education that they have NOT knowingly awarded financial aid to students who are unlawfully present in the United States.
So while Arizona has made national news for its new law, it is important to remember Missouri has been far more proactive in addressing this horrific problem.
Missouri has made it clear that illegal immigrants are NOT welcome in the state and they will certainly NOT receive public benefits at the expense of Missouri taxpayers!
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See, article in "The Ozarks Sentinel" Editorial Opinion - Nita Jane Ayres, May 13, 2010
Missouri Voters Enact English-Only Law Posted on: 2008-11-11 00:07:43
WASHINGTON, Nov 05, 2008 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Missouri voters overwhelmingly approved H.J. Res. 7 yesterday [a constitutional amendment], strengthening the state's official English law. The measure passed with more than 85 percent of the vote, as 2.4 million Missourians cast ballots in favor of the measure.
The approved measure makes English the official language of all official proceedings in Missouri, including the discussion of public business and roll call votes. http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Missouri-Voters-Strengthen-States-Official/story.aspx?guid=%7bC064AA5A-118E-4EA5-879C-79B7028AED03%7d
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mxpilot
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I like it, ALOT!! English ought to be, without question, the legal language in the US. The Federal Aviation Regulations require me to read, speak, and understand the language to hold my pilot certificates, it should be across the board for all professions. Learn the language and USE IT.
And it would appear to have gotten done without all the fuss and legal wrangling it has attracted elsewhere.
Like I said in my post, enforce the laws currently in place, or write new ones that work, and enforce those. If the fed can't do it (gutless wonders that they are), then let the states do it. I'm sure they'd all resemble one another enough to allow legals to move freely state to state.
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One I got from my aunt today-
True or not, this is good:
The owner of the Phoenix Suns basketball team, Robert Sarver, opposes Arizona's new immigration law, SB 1070. Arizona's Governor, Jan Brewer, released the following statement in response to Sarver's criticism of the new law. Here's a copy of her statement:
"What if the owners of the Suns discovered that hordes of people were sneaking into games without paying? What if they had a good idea who the gate-crashers are, but the ushers and security personnel were not allowed to ask these folks to produce their ticket stubs, thus non-paying attendees couldn't be ejected. Furthermore, what if Suns' ownership was expected to provide those who sneaked in with complimentary eats and drink? And what if, on those days when a gate-crasher became ill or injured, the Suns had to provide free medical care and shelter?" - Governor Jan Brewer.
She's still waiting for Sarver's answer.
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"Jan Brewer for President?"
If she asks fellow Arizonian Sheriff Joe Arpayo to be her running mate!
I dont know what is is about Arizona that can produce great leaders with spines of steel like these two and yet continuously re-elect a noodle spined John McCain for senator.
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NQ1965
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Agreed.
McCain has been a bedfellow with the most crooked of Congress for too long.
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That is awesome. I don't know how you could argue with that!
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