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A fine weekend it was! A bit of rain before the weekend made for some nice conditions and the heat was downright bearable compared to last year. A big plus was having a starting gate that was on loan from Drew Wolfe! Though the track layout was similar to last year it seemed tighter in a number of areas...don't get me wrong I had a great time on the track, just seemed a bit tight at times.
I had two holeshots in the 50+ int class but managed to work my way back to a fourth overall for the day. Definitely more competition in my class this year (or, prolly just me getting older and slower). Here's two pics my wife got of my class coming into to the first corner. If numbers 415, 60, and 493 get on this site by any chance...nice ride as you guys were runnin good!
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The 1st moto of the non-current B/C class was a good one. Beenridin's son Jack was on a not-so-current RM250 and did a fine job against eventual moto and overall winner Ben Rogers.
Sorry, pic's a bit on the blurry side.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3MXRpga_rA8/UAyVMnj_bLI/AAAAAAAAAJY/IGETjT2K6cc/s1024/non%20current%20ben_cr.jpg
MOOCH! We were just talking and wondering where you were today! I swear we never saw you and were curious as to why you didn't make it. Funny.
I raced 3 classes so I didn't spend much time watching.
There were some big classes this year! Really nice to see people showing up! I have some pics and video to post later.....
John, here's you and Mosher in the non-current class...speaking of looking for people at the race, who were you looking around for here? :)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3PkpS6QC2jI/UAydXs0FVZI/AAAAAAAAAKM/heSVYEj7DrI/s1152/kreps%20and%20mosher%202012%20MO.jpg
Ha, I had bad starts all day and every moto had to look up ahead to try and figure out where I was at!
You were on a 125 in non-current...right? Gotta be rough getting a decent start on the tiddler when everyone else in that class seemed to be on at least a 250.
Although the 125 probably felt pretty good on all those tight turns!
How about those Moto-Armory Girls! They did shifts on the 30 Second board and also had a tent on the way to staging giving everyone bottles of water.....
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/30SecA.JPG
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/30SecB.JPG
Ahh yes, those fine Armory girls added a certain something to the event!
Hopefully, the Armory girls and the starting gate will return next year!!
I was cautious not to be peeping at the start babes for fear of gettin a finger poke in the eye from the wife.
I watched the vintage boys and girls race a good bit Saturday. I noticed that it was as though they had 3 options in the corners. Stay inside and hit the line, hit the middle and power slide around, or stick the outside and rail the small berm. And we saw a lot of passing by railing the outside. I thought this was very cool. Then during our races yesterday there was good flow around most all of the corners.
Track conditions seemed perfect in the morning and held up pretty well throughout the day. Very cool having a starting gate as well.
Good job to the Log Road Crew and The Wolfe family for their support of the event.
MarctheSharc
07/23, 07:40 AM
Sounds like this was one of the better years for MX during Vintage Days. Seems like everyone had fun.......yes?
Both of girls are knockouts! +10
Here is some Gopro of the first Non-Current moto. This class was stacked and had 20 entries. I had a super fun time racing this class, I think I got 7th overall.
On the start, you will see DMX153 tangle with another rider and the hay bales and go down hard in the first turn! TB901 then cuts inside the bales (and got scolded by officials) and I follow him through.
A few corners in, a kid on a KTM Enduro stuffs me. Keep your eye on him as nearing the end of the first lap he tries to stuff Mosher and high sides!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpMWz6YXjX0
Here is your podium in the Non Current B class
Ben Rogers
Scott Stanford EVO244
Terry Bernard TB901
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/NonCurrentPodium.jpg
Rick McGuire flies on his '87 YZ250 and won the Non Current A class.
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/NonCurrentPodiumA.jpg
Oh, yeah, big fun. Met lots of people and made some new friends, just a great time. We got there early Thursday and it rained heavy all the way there. As soon as we pulled into the track it quit and never rained again, although it really wanted to all day Friday. Really nice weather after that. The track was real well prepped, I thought.
If you camped in the campground you saw us, we were right inside the gate at the top of the hill. What a great show. Our camp looked like this:
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My youngest son, Ben, on our MX360:
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He ran a good, tight race with the guy who won his class, but he said the trans had too many neutrals in it and got beat. Whatever.
These are the only two pics I have downloaded, I'll post some more later.
KRH
I had a great time out there. It's always fun to get around the Vintage community and hang out. I liked the track, but also thought some of it was a little tight. If I were to suggest anything for the races, it would be to get a list of eligible bikes and years for every class. At Tech they need to be able to identify all the bikes for the classes. I saw quite a few bikes race in classes that they were not eligible to be in. In Tech they asked what class you were in, but they didn't (IMHO) confirm that the bike was even eligible. Yes, you could probably protest it, but who wants to be "that guy."
Had a blast all 3 days, it went too fast, and only 362 days till the next one. :(
Pit, how much you want to edit out the first 12 seconds of that vid? We were big time screwed until we found that detour. God, why didn't someone tell me to take off those dorky glasses on the podium? Ben on the podium said he paid $1200 for that bike. I thought, hell I only paid $950. But a quick review of my Ebay, Dennis Kirk, and Motosport purchases revealed an additional $1494...and it still looks like a POS. It was worth it I guess, had fun, cut a little track, finished better than I deserved. Better lucky than good. Hope to see you guys at Vet Fest.
Did anybody else on hear ride CC on Friday besides myself and McGuire?
We had like 15 entries in 40+ B.
Heart-break of Sunday for our crew goes to Jack Babet. Jack was FLYING on the '82 RM250 and smoked out to the holeshot in the first moto of Non-Current B/C and led 2 or 3 laps before ending up 3rd in the moto. Then he went right back to the gate and smoked everyone in the EVO3 250 class and led wire to wire.
Second moto of Non-Current he was in a first turn tangle and ended up with a broken bike that could not be fixed in time for his other moto. So his day was 3-DNF and 1-DNS. SUCKED as he was riding awesome and looked awesome on that bike, great form and great riding!
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/JBabet1.jpg
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/JBabet2.jpg
Couple pics of me, '84 RM250 and '91 RM125.
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/Pit1.jpg
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/Pit2.jpg
MarctheSharc
07/23, 02:37 PM
Good for Jack!..... nice to see him developing.
Think back to his clutch-abusing, leg flailing early days at Monster a few years back and it’s obvious that lately he has been maturing into a decent rider!
DMX153 on the borrowed KX for +40 class.
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/DMX153a.jpg
Good for Jack!..... nice to see him developing.
Think back to his clutch-abusing, leg flailing early days at Monster a few years back and it’s obvious that lately he has been maturing into a decent rider!
Yep, and we need to remember that he moved to a big bike at barely 14 years old. He's now 16 and RIPPING on a 250! He is definitely one of those kids that was "ok" on a mini, and is now really developing on a big bike.
MarctheSharc
07/23, 02:51 PM
Watch him go over these next few years.....
Soon enough we'll be asking him ......so, what gear you hittn that?
Sitting on the line for Non-Current. DMX153 on his '92 RM and TB901 on his #927 CR. Dave and the Can-Am dude between us tangled and went down in the first turn.
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/NonCurrentC.jpg
Mosher on his 1980 YZ125
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/Mosher1.jpg
TB901 laying his old CR into a loamy berm.
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/TB901.jpg
Got a pic just for Randy947.
Kip B handing me my #1 plate for +30B!
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/Pit-Kip.jpg
Myself and NQ1965 Mike Freas on the podium for +30B. JORT alert! haha
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/30BPodium.jpg
MarctheSharc
07/23, 03:44 PM
Mike’s a true craftsman with a pair of scissors!
I see Skoke on the fence in the Mosher pic.
Vmd was awesome this weekend and the best part was watching my son develop into a true sportsman and young adult. After a 2nd in his non - current intermediate moto to Ben Rodgers ( 3rd including the expert rider ) and a wire to wire runaway in the 250 intermediate moto 1 race he suffered a crash that ended his day.
Jack sat on the line after the non- current moto crash with my bike as I talked with the AMAofficial. I was told to pull him off the gate and he could not run with a different bike . This ended his day racing and the hopes of a first place finish .
As he rode my bike back to the pits and I pushed his back I wondered what I would come back too . To my surprise he was calm and in control. I gave him a big hug and told him how proud I was of him. Not because he was so fast but for just how he handled himself in the moment. I told him that this was a defining moment to be an example to others and to be a true sportsman. I think he got it . I decided to pack it in for my last moto and spend the last part of the day being a dad to my son.
As we were breaking down camp another younger rider (14 or so)came back to the pits complaining that he had been pushed off the track and lost a position. He was swearing and throwing things , we watched and jack was able to see the difference between this kids tantrum and how he had reacted . It was another moment to build on before a boy becomes a man . I am so proud of my son .
Look out next year as jack will certainly be a true competitor.
MarctheSharc
07/23, 06:44 PM
Awesome Weekend Mike!!!!!......Thanks for the story. Ya know we dig that kid.
He is growing up fine....
He's ready for a 250F....
Mike-
Jake's a super nice young man, had a good time talking with him on the line before out Non Current race. Man can he make that 82 RM bark!
Scott
PS Mosher's CR250 is the trickest around I must have one! There I said it
Glad to see everyone had a good time & Jack is coming of age very well.
Young Jack has developed very good riding form plus will say I was quite impressed with Jack & crew as they were doing landscaping work at my home on July 3rd
in 90+ heat and when that clouds burst all those you men kept working never complaining once so Mike you will have no worries on him making his own way in life as
99.9% of 16 year old guys would have quit on the spot.
Mike was your buddy these as though a battle to the flag was brewing for you guys?
Track looked pretty sweet as the Log Road crew always does such a good job!
Hope to be these next year as I need to sniff some pre-mix soon....thinking....maybe I should go drop some in the mower gas tank as my wife is getting
ready to cut the grass...yeah need to get her a Lawnboy 2 smoker!
Maico Mark
Wow looks like a awesome event, sad I missed it. Lots of sweet bikes for sure and nice riding pit that old RM sounds crisp! that 927 CR looks really clean, would like to see more pics of it
This was my 2nd year at VMD and I didn't think it was possible to have more fun than I did last year! I have to give
out a huge THANK YOU to KRH (Kevin Harper) and his two fine sons Dustin and Ben for letting me ride their '81 KX250.
I jumped on that bike and felt right at home and was thrilled to take a moto win on it and finish 2nd OA for the day!
Thanks again KRH you made a great weekend even better. Although I didn't fare as well on my RM250 I still had a great
time and also got to catch a few glimpses of Jack coming into his own at the front of the pack. Well done to both Babets!
I can hardly wait till next year to spend another great weekend with awesome friends and fun racing.
Is there anyone out there that can keep McGuire in sight?
1foxracing
07/24, 05:55 AM
Is that Kevin Schwantz standing next to you Dave?
http://www.pitracer.com/uploads/photogallery/2012VMD/NonCurrentC.jpg
Vmd was awesome this weekend and the best part was watching my son develop into a true sportsman and young adult.
Wow, I was not aware this had taken place.
It's unfortunate to end this way with such a solid start. Having it so close and then taken away may have a more powerful impact than if he had handily walked away with wins. It may certainly shore up his competitive determination even more with such a stinging defeat.
Having only talked with you guys a few times, it's easy to see strength of the family behind it all and you should be very proud. He will become a formidable racer respected by many.
PS: (Thanks Sharc, I brought my favorite pair for the races. :) )
Is there anyone out there that can keep McGuire in sight?
Answer: Yes..............And he's racing an XR200. "DOH !" :)
Sorry Rick I couldn't resist.
Dave is right though, You are a dominant presence on the track!
(of course, shortly after seeing Dave down, mangled in a corner in a cloud of dust, he got back up and passed us all like we were going backwards. Good Job to both of you.
Is there anyone out there that can keep McGuire in sight?
Jason Lutton had a great time hanging out and may be on a Factory Pit's Garage '87 RM250 next year!
Armory 30 second board girl in training...
(edit...this and next two pics from Legends and Heroes site.)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9sf1CRPdWbI/UA7C4V7lQOI/AAAAAAAAAKk/HZ2p5ycRYPU/s800/30 second girl in training.jpg
Had anyone heard of Moto Armory prior to Mid-Ohio? I know I hadn't. In fact, even after MO I didn't know what they were in to...had to google it.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-FFtab755CVw/UA7DtENmCTI/AAAAAAAAAKs/__gKKo0oTG8/s800/armory%20girl%201.jpg
Besides people watching...there's always some odd contraptions for getting around on. There was also the guy running around in the big 3 wheel car that looked like a wooden boat...it's a wonder that dude didn't take someone out as he was trying to navigate that thing around in the narrow confines of the swapmeet.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0HZoX2w1XO4/UA7FVnCIZLI/AAAAAAAAAK0/j3beuE5NMlg/s960/3%20wheeler.jpg
Jason Lutton had a great time hanging out and may be on a Factory Pit's Garage '87 RM250 next year!
Are you talking non-current? If so, you need to pick up a 96 RM250 for next year..I like the big conventional forks on those things.
Armory 30 second board girl in training...
(edit...this and next two pics from Legends and Heroes site.)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9sf1CRPdWbI/UA7C4V7lQOI/AAAAAAAAAKk/HZ2p5ycRYPU/s800/30%20second%20girl%20in%20training.jpg
I wonder how many times he had to explain it to her?
(sorry, I couldn't help it)
KRH
This was my 2nd year at VMD and I didn't think it was possible to have more fun than I did last year! I have to give
out a huge THANK YOU to KRH (Kevin Harper) and his two fine sons Dustin and Ben for letting me ride their '81 KX250.
I jumped on that bike and felt right at home and was thrilled to take a moto win on it and finish 2nd OA for the day!
Thanks again KRH you made a great weekend even better. Although I didn't fare as well on my RM250 I still had a great
time and also got to catch a few glimpses of Jack coming into his own at the front of the pack. Well done to both Babets!
I can hardly wait till next year to spend another great weekend with awesome friends and fun racing.
Is there anyone out there that can keep McGuire in sight?
No problem, Dave, it was great meeting you and Rick. I'm happy it got raced and finished on the podium. I thought it was a pretty competitive bike, but I'm biased. You proved to me that we're at least headed in the right direction with it. I'm pretty sure there's more power left in the motor. We're about as far as we can go with the suspension. If it's open next year you're welcome to it. You'll have to try the MX360. You'll really appreciate your RM after getting beat on by that beast.:D
KRH
Wow looks like a awesome event, sad I missed it. Lots of sweet bikes for sure and nice riding pit that old RM sounds crisp! that 927 CR looks really clean, would like to see more pics of it
The front number plate is probably 927's best feature. It's really a pretty rough looking bike. Maybe 6 or 631 will post a few pics of very very nice CR250's
I had a blast riding and hanging out with everyone over the weekend.Thanks for the props on the CR, I've only got this one pic of the bike. I need a couple more pieces, and to strip and powder coat the frame this winter and then she'll be looking cherry! Kurt's (#6) is a really sharp looking 96, he was nice enough to let me race his last year, it runs as good as it looks!
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Jason Lutton had a great time hanging out and may be on a Factory Pit's Garage '87 RM250 next year!
Not sure how I would do on a vintage 250 against McGuire, but I know I barely beat him a few weeks back at Malvern when they combined my vet class with his bomber class. I was running the 2011 450 and he was on his 87 YZ250, which would be my dream ride for that event, and it was all I could do to beat him. He makes that bike sing!
Going fast on a 1987 YZ250 Is one thing, but who was the guy railing berms on that 81 Katoom 495! That guy was hauling the mail!
JO needs the moto armory chicks at Briar Cliff!
Not sure if I mentioned this but I sold old boots..clutch levers...pipes ....box of junk...and best of all a 1974 puch that had been around every corner of my shop for 4 years...LOL. , for full asking price.
Guys were out buying everything so much for the bad economy .
I am on the lookout for a 07 or newer 250 f for jack
MarctheSharc
07/25, 06:12 PM
DO NOT BUY A USED 250-F...
If ya can't swing new.....wait
Not sure if I mentioned this but I sold old boots..clutch levers...pipes ....box of junk...and best of all a 1974 puch that had been around every corner of my shop for 4 years...LOL. , for full asking price.
Guys were out buying everything so much for the bad economy .
I am on the lookout for a 07 or newer 250 f for jack
How about a 06 yz 250f I bought it knew.
DO NOT BUY A USED 250-F...
If ya can't swing new.....wait
The last new bike I bought was an RM 250 in 2001. I have been real lucky buying clean used bikes for the most part. Oh and a leftover 2006 CR 85 for Jack.
I dont even know what a new RMZ 250f cost? What $8,000
MarctheSharc
07/26, 07:52 AM
I have been real lucky buying clean used bikes for the most part.
Luck don't last long on a 12,000 RPM race machine......
Ok, but they’ve all been 2-strokes and this is not a 2-stroke.
1) 250-F’s have seen remarkable progression over the last few years in both performance and reliability. Last year’s model (2012) is the oldest I would even consider.
2) This will be Jack’s new love and he will ride the PISS out of it….(believe me). He will be putting countless hours on it as he hones his skill and competitiveness.
3) 4-strokes are time-bombs….meaning it will run just fine until it blows, unlike a 2-stroke that slowly gets clapped-out. You see- Jack will never come back to the pits saying something sounds funny or feels wrong. It will run 100% strong up to the bitter end, then just blow. It’s going to beYOU (or Pit) that has to keep an eye on the hour meter and do necessary maintenance if you want to keep it alive more than 6 months with a young kid like Jack hammering it.
4) I feel a 4-stroke needs proper break-in when new. And on a used bike you don’t get to do that.
5) I feel a 4 stroke needs proper maintenance, and with a used bike you’ll never know.
6) ….I could go on forever….
But …… if say Mosher were to want to part with his RMZ -250…..I would maybe consider it.
O.K. I agree with your take on 4-strokes. Now where do we get the best deal. I have a vendors liscense to eliminate tax . I have only dealt with on the edge for suzukis and they dont deal in them anymore. I looked online and prices range from $6,200 to $7,500 .... for 2012. Will there be any new bike deals at Lorrettas when they roll out the 2013 's
Here are hare scrambles photos. Download at will.
http://gallery.americanmotorcyclist.com/AMA-Racing/2012-VGC-OR/24399378_XZ3ddQ#!i=1989181450&k=9XrNDjK (http://gallery.americanmotorcyclist.com/AMA-Racing/2012-VGC-OR/24399378_XZ3ddQ#%21i=1989181450&k=9XrNDjK)
Motocross shots will be up ASAP.
James Holter
AMA
MX: http://gallery.americanmotorcyclist.com/AMA-Racing/2012-VGC-MX/24400556_m5BCpS#!i=1989301317&k=QQV3BhM
Mike what about this one, it's yellow
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/mcy/3156852509.html
MarctheSharc
07/27, 09:23 AM
I just spent hours looking at the pic's......Very Nice!!
O.K. I agree with your take on 4-strokes. Now where do we get the best deal. I have a vendors liscense to eliminate tax . I have only dealt with on the edge for suzukis and they dont deal in them anymore. I looked online and prices range from $6,200 to $7,500 .... for 2012. Will there be any new bike deals at Lorrettas when they roll out the 2013 's
Mike,if your going to buy a Suzuki get a 2010 or newer with the fuel injection,much nicer bike! I had a 2010 and now have a 2012 both have been good reliable bikes.
Style points for Kurt, on the gas and looking straight into the camera! Nice
Wow, the awesome pics taken by the AMA photographer are quite the value add! Great pics that made everyone look like they were faster than a bunch of old guys!
Yes, I think it was a year or maybe 2 years ago when I whined that there was never a single picture of me in the AMA pic gallery for the event...well, this year makes up for it and I'll stop whining!
The original size option for the pics are fantastic and for my moto there's a 3 pic sequence of everyone going for the 1st corner which did a great job of catching one of my holeshots! There was also 3 more pics of me from that same moto and they were all unreal quality! My wife who took the pics I posted at the beginning of this thread had said how the AMA pics almost look 3D they're so good and how they made her auto focus shots look pretty shabby! Of course, I assured her she did a fine job with the inexpensive camera we have.
Here's one of the AMA photographer pics where one of the faster guys in my class was haggling with me in that little flat corner chicane area at the finish...I kinda sucked in that area as it was hard for me to judge what kind of traction there was in those flat corners. He eventually pulled off a clean pass in that little narrow corner right after the finish line...props to 60G!
Thanks again to the AMA for the ultra fine pics!
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MA-zxlJugLg/UBMy0OnN8_I/AAAAAAAAALs/vQmcoX62qCk/s1440/MO 2012 haggle with fast guy 60G_cr.jpg
Stole this one from a friend's face book album...thanks Jess.
This guy was haulin on that RM125! Even got a bit of vintage crossed up scrub action going with it. Not sure but his name might be Brett Gattrell?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-blwocdP8R0U/UBRYfzwPGcI/AAAAAAAAAMg/gOSrMCouBWo/s1152/brett gatrell mid ohio vintage scrub.jpg
yep, that is Brett. cool thing is his Dad bought that bike at Mid-ohio thursday night at mid-ohio. he would have won all 4 of his motos but the plug wire came off late in his first moto sunday.
haha...good for them being able to pick up a bike and take it out and immediately have some good results on it. Kinda like Mosher and Beenridin trading RM 250s and then Ben Rodgers proceeds to do well on the bike Mosher got on the trade...Ben had never ridden a drum brake bike much less ridden that particular drum brake bike!
I keep an eye peeled for a bike to pick up at vintage days but it's always a case of a bike being too nice/expensive or too haggard looking. Amazingly, a bike that REALLY caught my eye was a 1974ish CanAm 175 TNT enduro. Bike looked like new and was just cool looking! Stuff on it seemed really heavy duty looking, for example, the chain looked massive like maybe it was a 530? I asked the guy if he was selling it...nope. So now I have to look for a Maico and a CanAm.
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Wow, the awesome pics taken by the AMA photographer are quite the value add! Great pics that made everyone look like they were faster than a bunch of old guys!
Thanks, guys. Corey did a great job.
As for the photos, we try to do that for all the Grand Championship level events, which include the AMA Vintage Grand Championships.
Thanks from me as well, and good job.
I enjoyed going through and seeing them all.
Luck don't last long on a 12,000 RPM race machine......
But …… if say Mosher were to want to part with his RMZ -250…..I would maybe consider it.
At first I was offended...but then reality slapped me in the back of the head...
A fine weekend it was!
I had two holeshots in the 50+ int class but managed to work my way back to a fourth overall for the day. Definitely more competition in my class this year (or, prolly just me getting older and slower). If numbers 415, 60, and 493 get on this site by any chance...nice ride as you guys were runnin good!
Looking back at the results Mooch, with 16 in your class, 4th was pretty good. At the awards ceremony, I met a local racer (Newark) Mike Wheeler, he done real well at Athens and Vintage Days, and is going to give you guys fits in 50+ in a year or two.
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