Illness?

Carlisle

Carlisle

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Over the years has any of you ever wondered what/where these illnesses have come from? Going back to Tim ferry days. These magical viruses that seem to attack only the factory riders, or factory amateurs. Here we are, 2025, and plessinger has been battling illness for weeks. Before this magical illness he was top 4 every weekend. Jason Anderson, out for the yr to get healthy. Go back to the beginning, Carmichael!!! No he never had a magical illness that made him drop out of races but before him, who did? McGrath? Nope! Emig? Nope. We hear Epstein Barr virus for yrs, which is what? Never heard of it until Carmichael and the introduction of Aldon baker. Over training that’s what we were led to believe. Let’s all open our eyes and understand that PED’S are a part of our sport at the highest level!!! The AMA turn their heads and so does everyone else. All professional athletes use them! From tiger woods when he was at the top of his game ( he was jacked), to LeBron James who keeps up with 20 yr olds, to the defensive lineman who is 6’4 300 lbs and runs a 40 in 4.5 sec. To Jett Lawrence who races a 30 min moto in 90 degree temperatures and is barely winded at the end. So sad from the days of McGrath, Jeff ward, Rick Johnson etc! So sad for me to see this and hear people deny it!!!
 
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The SMX too long season is the problem. A sport as grueling as Supercross or Motocross deserves an off season for recuperation alone. The guys going out rode the entire 450 SX schedule. Jett, like Lebron is a freak of nature and young enough to recuperate quickly.
 
How are PEDS helping 30 minutes plus 2 laps?

Protein
Creatinine
Supplements are one thing.

But how does anabolic steroids help a moto guy? What performance enhancing drugs are they doing Carlisle? Truckers know. Y’all can’t get a 24 hour load delivered in 16 without heavy doses of amphetamines right?
 
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GeorgiePorgie said:
PEDs are a stretch.

Plessingers clean.

These guys are racing in sweltering heat. Every weekend. And training all week. When do you have time to recover?
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How do you know plessinger is clean? You have proof? Don’t give me this bs he wasn’t raised that way, I know his dad, he wouldn’t do that blah blah blah!!!
 
I don’t think mx guys are doing PEDs.

My proof is the same as your proof. Nothin. So your theory is nothin as well.

Continuous training cycles and high level competition will wear you down…. Lance Armstrong never was sick when he was whipping a***s
 
GeorgiePorgie said:
I don’t think mx guys are doing PEDs.

My proof is the same as your proof. Nothin. So your theory is nothin as well.

Continuous training cycles and high level competition will wear you down….
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But I have personal experience on ped’s!!! So let’s start from the beginning. What do you know about performance enhancing drugs?
 
Motocross isn’t like cycling or bodybuilding where PEDs give a clear measurable edge. Even if someone tried to use them, the demands of 30-minute motos, insane heat, and constant travel would still wear them down. Guys like Plessinger are getting sick because of overtraining, lack of recovery, and the stress of the schedule... not because they’re juiced. McGrath barely missed races in the 90s, but he also wasn’t doing the year-round grind riders do now. These guys are riding and training nonstop with zero off-season, and that’s a quick way to a wrecked immune system. You can be the fittest guy in the world and still get sick if your body never has time to recharge. PEDs might exist in to some degree, but blaming every illness on them is a stretch. The reality is that the sport itself has just evolved to a point where the body can only take so much before it breaks.
 
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Chris said:
Motocross isn’t like cycling or bodybuilding where PEDs give a clear measurable edge. Even if someone tried to use them, the demands of 30-minute motos, insane heat, and constant travel would still wear them down. Guys like Plessinger are getting sick because of overtraining, lack of recovery, and the stress of the schedule... not because they’re juiced. McGrath barely missed races in the 90s, but he also wasn’t doing the year-round grind riders do now. These guys are riding and training nonstop with zero off-season, and that’s a quick way to a wrecked immune system. You can be the fittest guy in the world and still get sick if your body never has time to recharge. PEDs might exist in to some degree, but blaming every illness on them is a stretch. The reality is that the sport itself has just evolved to a point where the body can only take so much before it breaks.
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Please don’t ever use the word “juiced” when referring to motocross athletes. They aren’t using anabolics! SMH
 
Carlisle said:
What do you think is allowing the body to be overtrained?
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Do we have an expert on exercise physiology and PEDs in our midst? Please enlighten we uneducated morons as to what exactly the pro motocross racers have been doing. Here's your chance to change the current opinion.

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Chris said:
Overtraining isn't caused by PEDs. It's caused by the nonstop schedule and training programs. PEDs wouldn't make them sick.. lack of recovery does.
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You are completely missing what I’m saying. Ped’s allow them to over train. The ped’s don’t make them sick, I never said they did. Expert on ped’s….. no just educated. Something like cardarine(GW501516) has lots of performance enhancing benefits. 1 being Mitochondrial biogenesis and endurance. It has been around for quite awhile so can’t imagine what’s available nowadays. It is banned by WADA for its performance enhancing benefits. But it’s ok I’ll leave it at that and y’all can keep thinking that not 1 top moto rider in the world takes anything other than vitamins to get through there rigorous training!!! Hell you probably think the jake paul/ mike Tyson fight was real!!! Lmfao
 
Carlisle said:
You are completely missing what I’m saying. Ped’s allow them to over train. The ped’s don’t make them sick, I never said they did. Expert on ped’s….. no just educated. Something like cardarine(GW501516) has lots of performance enhancing benefits. 1 being Mitochondrial biogenesis and endurance. It has been around for quite awhile so can’t imagine what’s available nowadays. It is banned by WADA for its performance enhancing benefits. But it’s ok I’ll leave it at that and y’all can keep thinking that not 1 top moto rider in the world takes anything other than vitamins to get through there rigorous training!!! Hell you probably think the jake paul/ mike Tyson fight was real!!! Lmfao
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You don't need PEDs to over train. Leave it at that?
 
Carlisle said:
But I have personal experience on ped’s!!! So let’s start from the beginning. What do you know about performance enhancing drugs?
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I dunno but I got a dea license to prescribe medications. I know a little bit about drugs. Crazy how good diet and exercise gets ya so much more benefit than any drug.

Feed a top 15 guy some cardarine and it doesn’t make him beat Jett Lawrence.

What allows guys to over train? Not wanting to get beat. Then thinking a second off the bike gets them to lose the edge.

The brain is a powerful drug. Obsession can lead to over training. The drugs aren’t making these guys overtrain.

Guys getting popped for supplements serving an 18 month sentence in moto. It ain’t worth it. I still doing think these guys are doing PEDs.

Everyone’s trying to gain an edge surely. But what’s the edge? What are these guys doing then? Carabiner ? Cardamom (GBS0696969?)

I can also steel man the argument, if anyone might try the s**t or squeeze by its probably Aldon. Endurance cyclists are the kings right?

Maybe they’re blood doping. Getting more carrying capacity at higher altitudes. Except for el hombre. He’s always sick at elevation…

More blood = more hgb = more o2 molecules to attach to the hgb which means more oxygen to the tissue. Carrying capacity. A top 5 blood doper still ain’t beating Jett.
 
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