2014 bikes

John250

John250

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Dang, Yamaha comes out with a new version 450 after I go and buy a new bike last week! Ahhh, I did not want to spend that much anyway. But looks awesome. Not so sure I like the pipe coming out the back or the cylinder and wrapping all the way around it, that's a bit goofy too me. But looks real nice.

Honda 250......back to duals?? Aren't a lot of pros that are not factory guys on Hondas running single pipes? So much for mass centralization or whatever they say is the reason for dual pipes. I personally think the dual pipe thing is totally needless on a motocross bike, and do not like it.

http://moto.mpora.com/featured-box/hondas-2014-crf250-joins-yamahas-all-new-yzf450.html#slide-1
 
GeorgiePorgie

GeorgiePorgie

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John250 said:
Dang, Yamaha comes out with a new version 450 after I go and buy a new bike last week! Ahhh, I did not want to spend that much anyway. But looks awesome. Not so sure I like the pipe coming out the back or the cylinder and wrapping all the way around it, that's a bit goofy too me. But looks real nice.

Honda 250......back to duals?? Aren't a lot of pros that are not factory guys on Hondas running single pipes? So much for mass centralization or whatever they say is the reason for dual pipes. I personally think the dual pipe thing is totally needless on a motocross bike, and do not like it.

http://moto.mpora.com/featured-box/hondas-2014-crf250-joins-yamahas-all-new-yzf450.html#slide-1
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John.....you had to of known this. You need to troll around on Vitalmx a few minutes a day.

All they speculate about there is a 201X (the year after the current) New 2 stroke machine from any of the big 4....which never happens. But usually are spot on with the new chassis speculation 4 strokes....



And why no Wave rotor on the 14yzf ?
 
Bill480

Bill480

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Looks like Yami decided it was cheaper to loop the exhaust around the motor vs. re-redesign the motor back to normal
 
John250

John250

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Hondas new gas cap being flush mounted means you need to make sure there is not dirt or mud around it, for sure when you take that cap off. Sometimes I think the engineers are trying to out design themselves, and a lot of the stuff is worthless, but cost us more money.
 
RocketRobin

RocketRobin

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If they didn't change something and make it "better", how would they justify raising the prices? Brand new bikes are really expensive now and then you take a beating when you own it for a year and lose at least 1/3 the value right off the bat. At some point the manufacturers are going to outprice themselves from the target market which I think is pretty close to that point right now, bikes are almost too expensive for anyone to be buying them every year anymore.
 
John250

John250

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they are too expensive. For 20 years I bought a new bike every year. I could take a 250 2 stroke I rode for 1 season, hand it to the dealer (my bikes were always in excellent cond.) with any where from $800 to 1100 and walk out the door with a new bike every year. My son started racing in 2007, and since that time, he has had 7 bikes, and I was still on my 2007. This year, he did not need a bike, so I got a bike.......but was not going to pay what a 2013 would cost me. In my opinion, it was not worth it at this point in my life. Takes more money to race, and everything is more expensive.

Manufactures are pricing bike to where a teenager or someone young out of school is having to finance a bike 4 and even 5 years to buy one. That is CRAZY to do on a dirt bike........but people do it! Any young guys out here reading this, NEVER finance a dirt bike over two years. If you have to go more than that, you need a cheaper bike.
 
RocketRobin

RocketRobin

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I say "almost" because there are quite a few VETS on Pitracer.com that are buying 2013's like they are getting a Large Blizzard at Dairy Queen. But the price at the dealerships are much more than the average kid who is 16 - 25 years old can afford these days, which is the supposed target audience of MX racing machines. Vets who are secure in their lives and know they want a new bike can splurge more than someone just starting out. I used to get a new bike every 2 years and would only lose about $1000 / per year on a bike at that point that I was racing regularly through the 90's and early 2000's. Now, if a new bike costs close to $10k with Tax and Title out the door based on MSRP, how is a $25 - $35K income starting out going to cover that with all of the living expenses and such coming out of the same income?

Add some exorbitant health insurance costs into the mix shortly with new regulations, and you'll lose many more new bike purchasers too! I think we may be at the tipping point of sales of bikes based on pricing to the consumer and toughness of credit applications these days.
 
mx049

mx049

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Sadly modern bike prices are getting a little crazy anymore plus long gone are the days when a paper route or
mowing lawns like I did as a teen would get you a new ride.

The lower volume has to hurt the dealers a lot also as quite a few have closed over the past few years.

That is one advantage of Vintage bikes as the prices are fairly stable.

I could easily 6 years later sell my 76 Maico 250 for what I paid for it back in 2007.

Yeah the traveling expense is higher but the old bikes retain their value well & you can still practice where ever.

If you are trying to race on a tight budget the bomber class would be a great choice as many tracks offer that class.

Crazy part is most of our laps time would not differ much if anything at all between a new 2013 or a 5 years old used 2008.

Maico Mark
 
John250

John250

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Mark, your exactly right. Laps times on a 2013 and a 2008 would probably not be different.....But like in my case, I had a 2007. My main concern was getting rid of it before something went in the motor and then it would not be worth fixing.
 
RocketRobin

RocketRobin

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I'm not going to take that Pot Stirring bait....... but the average young adult can't afford to be on a new bike anymore, and the young adult is the intended rider for these machines, so there is a problem brewing in the marketplace.
 
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