Illness?

I think you would all be surprised to find that many are microdosing and using peptides and it is very prevalent.

The narrative that they don't make you go fast like JL is just denying the fact that is an enhancement to riding/racing. It helps, or there wouldn't be a billion dollar market for it.

For what it's worth, the AMA will not test for anything next year. It's free game next year, so if you don't think it's happening, your just an ostrich near some sand.

And it helps you recover faster so you can train more, which in the USA, it's all about that.
 
honda907 said:
I think you would all be surprised to find that many are microdosing and using peptides and it is very prevalent.

The narrative that they don't make you go fast like JL is just denying the fact that is an enhancement to riding/racing. It helps, or there wouldn't be a billion dollar market for it.

For what it's worth, the AMA will not test for anything next year. It's free game next year, so if you don't think it's happening, your just an ostrich near some sand.

And it helps you recover faster so you can train more, which in the USA, it's all about that.
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But if you recover faster to train more or are you really better trained or still just over trained?

Are these your observations from the training facility where you live? Are you talking about OTC stuff, natural recovery supplements and mood enhancers or something more? We have seen some serious conflation in this thread when an experimental and illegal drug used by body builders was mentioned in the PED mix. But really any substance, even seemingly benign, can be abused or misused.

It is still my contention that the entire AMA SMX series is too much for the racers to endure. No racer is making it through the series without illness or injury. Youth can help with recovery but that doesn't preclude injury. May the healthiest racer win.
 
k01 said:
But if you recover faster to train more or are you really better trained or still just over trained?

Are these your observations from the training facility where you live? Are you talking about OTC stuff, natural recovery supplements and mood enhancers or something more? We have seen some serious conflation in this thread when an experimental and illegal drug used by body builders was mentioned in the PED mix. But really any substance, even seemingly benign, can be abused or misused.

It is still my contention that the entire AMA SMX series is too much for the racers to endure. No racer is making it through the series without illness or injury. Youth can help with recovery but that doesn't preclude injury. May the healthiest racer win.
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Everything is on the table. OTC and more.

Everyone is the same. After years, your body is just "tired" and that's the way we are made. Some take a few years, others After they retire. Many times is just your overall stress on the body and you get chronic fatigue syndrome, or adrenal fatigue. Mx athletes train WAY too much in my wifes opinion. Way, way to much. She's just about to publish a book on it.

Your resting heart rate in the morning should dictate if you can train. No ifs/buts/or's about it.

Ever notice Rick Johnson and Jeff Ward and the like have a whole lot of lingering problems? Not from drugs, although maybe, who knows, but just training overall. They body just wears out.

Yeah I know there's a guy in D5 that smoked and drank and won a title at Lorettas a few years ago. He's a good guy. But that's the anomaly, not the norm.
 
The racing isn't to long or too much that causes this. Is just not training smart. Most mx athletes are under the notion that the more grinding is better.

Grinding works for some like RC. It didn't work firvJLaw, TP199, The Dogger and I can go on. TP199 said he did worse taking it seriously, so you got a guy that has said grinding didn't work for him

Again, resting heart rate in the morning can dictate how much you can or cannot train. Bicycling is nothing like MX as far as the stress on the body, yet that's what most trainers train like. Plus, elite bicyclists don't win every race. They pace them selves out through the year. They may peak for the Tour de France, but other events during the year they aren't players.

Again, mx is a much different sport, but nobody thinks it's different. Plus mx guys want to win every race all year long. It's pretty dang hard to do that mentally and physically, for 40 weeks of the year.

I could go on, but I'm not.......
 
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Mx athletes train WAY too much in my wifes opinion. Way, way to much. She's just about to publish a book on it.
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Sounds like your wife is really on to something. That book should be an excellent and much needed read.
 
k01 said:
But if you recover faster to train more or are you really better trained or still just over trained?

Are these your observations from the training facility where you live? Are you talking about OTC stuff, natural recovery supplements and mood enhancers or something more? We have seen some serious conflation in this thread when an experimental and illegal drug used by body builders was mentioned in the PED mix. But really any substance, even seemingly benign, can be abused or misused.

It is still my contention that the entire AMA SMX series is too much for the racers to endure. No racer is making it through the series without illness or injury. Youth can help with recovery but that doesn't preclude injury. May the healthiest racer win.
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What drug are you referring too?
 
k01 said:
Why the one that someone mentioned as part of an educated response. It was touted as having the ability to rev up the production of the little power houses of human cells.
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That’s cute. Doesn’t answer my question!!
 
Carlisle said:
That’s cute. Doesn’t answer my question!!
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You say that you are educated, so here's a question. Are you sure that you understand all of the ins and outs of cell physiology and molecular biology well enough to safely trick mitochondrial biogenesis with a synthetic compound?
 
k01 said:
You say that you are educated, so here's a question. Are you sure that you understand all of the ins and outs of cell physiology and molecular biology well enough to safely trick mitochondrial biogenesis with a synthetic compound?
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I’m educated as in I’ve taken it!! I have not taken anything g like EPO. I have never taken anabolics. I have taken sarms. I educated myself on sarms. I also knew a couple amateur body builders back in college. I have also followed the sport since the 90’s. Know quite a few a bit of what they take, how much, how they cycle etc. so if you’re referring to cardarine as o supplement professional bodybuilders take that makes me giggle. Now as far as cardarine what would you like to know how it worked on me? How I felt? What it did to my body? Actually there are 2 members on here that have been on here for a long time that know me very well and know that I have taken it, and what it did for my physical appearance !!!So let’s do this buuuuuuud!!!!
 
And like honda907 stated. Micro dosing is a real thing and in more professional sports than you could imagine when it comes to ped’s.
 
1 more thing just in case you weren’t aware, but I’m sure you are mr wonderful, adderall is also a ped without a subscription, so are corticosteroids. Not just this “bodybuilding drug” we are talking about. Haha. Want to know how those work? I’ve taken them as well lol
 
What a great responses Carlisle! Your perspective and demeanor are now in clear focus.
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mr wonderful
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And a funny guy too.

My history with exercise physiology goes way back to the 1960s but we need not explore all of that. At my age I just want to keep healthy and moving. And I'm so happy that I no longer need to memorize biological pathways like I did for courses long ago. But this has been an interesting refresher of sorts.
 
k01 said:
What a great responses Carlisle! Your perspective and demeanor are now in clear focus.

And a funny guy too.

My history with exercise physiology goes way back to the 1960s but we need not explore all of that. At my age I just want to keep healthy and moving. And I'm so happy that I no longer need to memorize biological pathways like I did for courses long ago. But this has been an interesting refresher of sorts.
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Should have some drinks with me I’m even funnier in person!!
 
k01 said:
You say that you are educated, so here's a question. Are you sure that you understand all of the ins and outs of cell physiology and molecular biology well enough to safely trick mitochondrial biogenesis with a synthetic compound?
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Less we do to the body, better it fixes itself.
 
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GeorgiePorgie said:
Less we do to the body, better it fixes itself.
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When natural recuperative systems ain't broke, don't fix 'em! Well, until motocross racers go bionic...




My favorite undergrad physiology professor loved to laugh at this. He taught a great course. We even explored exercise physiology. I spent time on the treadmill in our laboratory. But when I explored an exercise physiology graduate degree by meeting with the program heads at OSU and Kent State, I discovered that back then they were mainly interested in PE majors, not a biology major with some research experience like myself. So no graduate exercise physiology for me but did win my first post graduate MX race, that was exciting. No doubles back then so bionic jumping wasn't required. Lol
 
Love how this went from ped’s are involved in the sport and helping overtraining to a “Mr wonderful” is educated in physiology. No one cares! The fact is that they help the body push past boundaries! Help in recovery! AKA overtraining. Not rocket science. But let’s hear more about OSU and Kent State. If you believe that Ped’s are not part of the sport then you’re naive!!!! SMH!
 
Carlisle said:
Love how this went from ped’s are involved in the sport and helping overtraining to a “Mr wonderful” is educated in physiology. No one cares! The fact is that they help the body push past boundaries! Help in recovery! AKA overtraining. Not rocket science. But let’s hear more about OSU and Kent State. If you believe that Ped’s are not part of the sport then you’re naive!!!! SMH!
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Does the mean that you don't want to hear all about the accelerated full year of organic chemistry course including labs that I completed in about six weeks immediately following my post grad motocross win? I had to have that to get into professional school. Lol Lighten up man, let a little old guy reminisce about good old memories with some stories.

Apparently about anything can be classified as a PED. Whatever some may use doesn't lend to complete recovery. It's a shortcut, a hack that can have unintended consequences. Over training is just more training without the benefit of proper recovery.

The full SMX schedule that the riders must follow is ridiculous. It's a recipe for injured, worn out and sick racers. Who wants to watch that? Who has survived and thrived during the entirety of the series to this point?

My JT pants back in the day just had JT on the back. If I did have a patch back there it would be "Dr. Wonderful". Puny little open bikes were barely enough for my physique. BTW, that's meant to be funny...
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