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125 vs 250F

Discussion in 'MX/SX General' started by John250, Aug 8, 2015.

  1. John250

    John250 PR Founding Father

    Location:
    Xenia, Ohio
    Racing Number:
    250
    My son Matthew just turned 12 years old, and rides Mini Jr. He is a big kid. Probably 5'4 and 145 lbs. Just out growing an 85. I don't want to hassle with building a supermini.

    I thought I would move him to a 125 after all the series races end in September. Today he rode a 250F for the first time on a big bike. Took some slow laps and by the time he was done was jumping everything he does on his 85 and looking more comfortable on it.

    Now I am wondering......mess with a 125, a bike without a class, or just go 250F? He is a smooth rider, so I now I am thinking maybe 250F. Suggestions??
     
  2. Double D

    Double D PR Founding Father

    Location:
    Strongsville, OH
    Racing Number:
    19
    125 is lighter and safer in my opinion.
    That is my path anyway.. Oh and cheaper too. Maint.
     
  3. loneranger171

    loneranger171 PR Addict

    Location:
    Navarre
    I'd say 250f if you like to go racing more than just to practice. 125s are way more fun in my opinion but if he's a good rider with fundamentals already just get a four stroke especially if he's growing. Or buy both u can swing it lol
     
  4. Strouble

    Strouble PR Addict

    Location:
    North Canton, OH
    You know your boy better than anyone. I went from a CR80 to a YZF400 at 14...I was a big kid and also always rode bigger bikes for fun. The rule was...if you can start it you can ride it. We hopped on big bikes with no hope of touching the ground...if we fell...we didn't get help unless needed. This was all play riding in our easy backyard trails.

    I'm a four stroke fan. A big bike is a big bike in dimension...but power is a different story. Four strokes are easier to ride too.

    I would say finish out the poings race on the mini with limited time on a big bike...sometimes that is more dangerous for a kid to hop back and forth...depends on the rider. After points race is over...practice on a big bike. Keep him reigned in to make sure he is strong enough and understands how much more power he has underneath him...125 or 250f.

    He may be able to ride one now...but it's a different story when he gets into trouble on the bike.

    Maybe do the 125 for a little while and then get the 4 stroke...you can do it anyway you want...just pay attention to him on the bike and educate him...make sure he understands what he is riding as he makes the transition. Every kid is different in adjusting to this transition. Their is no set format.
     
  5. one18

    one18 Noob

    my son is 11 and this is his 2nd year on a 125. no regrets at all. bike has been bullet proof and he has fun on it and thats what its all about.
     
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  6. GeorgiePorgie

    GeorgiePorgie PR Founding Father

    Location:
    Ohio the 440
    Racing Number:
    740
    I really think the 125 is a great bridge bike from the supermini to the 250F. If you're skipping the supermini, I would say a yz 125 would help him learn proper technique that will stay with him for the rest of his life....


    I could be biased, as I have a new found love for the small bore 2 strokes....my funnest years were supermini...maybe just build him a supermini. lol.

    But I did race a RM 125 before I got a 250F when I was 16 and transitioning to big bikes. I think it helps being on a 2 stroke...
     
  7. KX514

    KX514 PR Member

    Location:
    Newton Falls, OH
    Racing Number:
    514
    Those dudes are correct. There is no substitute for learning on a small bore two stroke. Technique. 125.
     
  8. ck1racerx

    ck1racerx PR Addict

    Location:
    Iron Chef Chili Kitchen
    Racing Number:
    1 My Chili Trophy tells me so
    After watching him a few times and talking to you about his reluqutency with jumping I would say no doubt 125. He is not that big and it would help him build confidence before adding all that extra power. Added bonus is he still would have 2 classes (schoolboy and 125 bc)
     
  9. ktrop251

    ktrop251 PR Member

    Location:
    Wadsworth
    Racing Number:
    251
    If you're transitioning from a mini to a big bike I would have to say go to a 125. He may love the 250f but imagine how much faster he will be if he learns how to rip on a 125 then moves to the 250f. Not to mention, 125s are much cheaper and easier to tweak to figure out exactly what he wants out of a big bike.
    Personally, I think the 125 is a huge part of learning your way around the big bikes. Sure, the four strokes are the future and the future is here. However, 125s have been a stepping stone for years and 9 times out of 10 the guys who can ride a 125 well make the transition to the 250f and progress from there.
    I've seen kids move from 85s to 250f and have a really hard time with controlling the big bike. They aren't as successful and don't learn how to handle the bike quite as well.
    Pay your dues and let him learn the easier way isn't always the best way.
    Just my two cents..
     
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  10. MalvernMX

    MalvernMX PR Addict

    I am right in the middle of this situation now. My oldest son Zack, is on the 125 and the 250f. Actually is now transitioning to the 250 2-stroke. My youngest (Chase) who is a decent rider but does not ride as much is on a 125. He has rode Zack's 250f and really likes it and wants one. I told him that want him to get at least one full season on the 125 under his belt. I am a firm believer that the 250f being easy to ride encourages riders to ride beyond their ability. That coupled with young person who might not make the best decisions anyway and is transitioning to a bigger bike is not always the best combination.

    No decisions have been made but I wouldn't be surprised to see a season long 125 class next year. Heck we almost had it this year between the night and battle seires.
     
  11. jrminiquad

    jrminiquad PR Member

    Location:
    Salem, OH
    Would love to see a 125 class at all tracks next year. I'm sure you would have the numbers.
     
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  12. john lilly

    john lilly PR Addict

    Location:
    Canton
    Racing Number:
    548
    John250, I will chime in on this. I believe that it would be best to move your boy on to a 125. The 125's are a natural transition for the youngsters that are coming up in mx. Its like a supermini on steroids, full size and light so, they can get use to a big bike without the weight of the 4 strokes. Your son, like mine has always been big for his age (by mx standards), and I bet he will love the suspension on a 125 (Jonathan does) while still having enough power to do what he needs to do, on the track. I think putting these kids on these very powerful 250's to soon is asking for problems, imo. Also, there are plenty of classes to race with a 125, there is the 125 class, 2 stroke, c-class and I think some others but that would typically be enough for a night at the races. Good luck!!!
     
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  13. GeorgiePorgie

    GeorgiePorgie PR Founding Father

    Location:
    Ohio the 440
    Racing Number:
    740
    This is alot cheaper to fix! Probably could buy a new used 2 stroke for what it cost when a 4 stroke lets go.
     

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  14. C Hudak

    C Hudak PR Addict

    Location:
    Lordstown, OH
    Racing Number:
    2
    Is that the countershaft
     
  15. C Hudak

    C Hudak PR Addict

    Location:
    Lordstown, OH
    Racing Number:
    2
  16. ktrop251

    ktrop251 PR Member

    Location:
    Wadsworth
    Racing Number:
    251
    Ouch.. did that twice on my 125. When you park the bike put it in gear. A little tip I heard after dumping a couple gs into mine.
     
  17. SteelyCR

    SteelyCR PR Member

    What?! Why, what happens?
     
  18. John250

    John250 PR Founding Father

    Location:
    Xenia, Ohio
    Racing Number:
    250
    I am leaning 125. He just turned 12. I think a couple years on a 125 would be a good thing for him for sure.
     
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  19. SCHAFFERNOCKER

    SCHAFFERNOCKER PR Addict

    Location:
    Canton Ohio
    Racing Number:
    604
    What's the scoop on this? Something ive never heard before, i always make sure its in neutral.
     
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  20. arm2004

    arm2004 PR Member

    We were in the same boat we went 125 and Dylan loves riding it- he counts how many 250F he can pass. If you do any L.L. you have 3-4 years in schoolboy 1. Nothing like a 125 ripping in a pack of thumpers.
     
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