adam63
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The one line they were riding in did remind me of his description. I grew up riding in a pasture field... I remember what it looks like.
It's Regional Time!
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So your ready to start training to go to a qualifier and regional next year to end up in Tennessee??
Rowe276dad
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Would you care to explain. .... I'm on pins and needles, over here. Lol
Double D
PR Founding Father
Well. We had a blast. Ctmx efforts are stellar! Great folks , great facility.
Listen. Fix the track it IS a cow path and that makes it dangerous cause racers we're doing desperate stupid things to make a crazy dumbass pass. Horrible track.
The two gaps are dumb. The step up .....didn't we get rid of it once!
Ck, this is why we travel 6 to 20 hours to ride moto.
Thank god half of my camp got out without injury.
Listen. Fix the track it IS a cow path and that makes it dangerous cause racers we're doing desperate stupid things to make a crazy dumbass pass. Horrible track.
The two gaps are dumb. The step up .....didn't we get rid of it once!
Ck, this is why we travel 6 to 20 hours to ride moto.
Thank god half of my camp got out without injury.
GeorgiePorgie
PR Founding Father
Is this the same ctmx I know ?!
John250
PR Founding Father
Not sure what two gaps your referring to. But I did hear they put the step up back in that they had a lot of crashes on last year when it was first built. My question, how in the heck can someone not race their first moto until 5:30 pm? 135 65s? That's nuts. Like I said, my opinion (that means nothing to anyone but me), once you get to a regional, there should be 40 riders per class. No more than that. Eliminate people running outside their region or two regions max, and that fixes that problem.
ck1racerx
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Some of the things I seen and heard today do not make me sad I have to call these people fellow motocrossers. It make me sad we call them humans.
All 4-6 classes need to be eliminated from motocross. The "parents" have ruined it for the kids. Look, just because you bought your child a motorcycle, does not make you a good parent. F bombs, throwing umbrellas, throwing water bottles. Screaming. Cussing at the Christian motorcycle club. "Help him, he is only 5 years old". As soon as someone did "help". BAM. You guessed it. Protest.
Oh wait I forgot. It's help your kid. Not the other kids.
Anyway. Seen some really good racing. LOVE the sound of the supermini class. Some of those kids can really ride.
The young lady that won the woman's class is talented. The girl that won the 12-16 or whatever it is, is also a great rider and will get even better on a big bike.
Track was GREAT. Nice braking bumps and acceleration chop coming out of deep ruts. Kids would line up to go to the inside. A handful finally used a different line ( less than 3 feet away) and would pass other every lap in those corners.
Had two conversations with Different families during breakfast at the hotel. Good people. They loved the facility and track. Both said they wish they lived closer.
Have not looked at the results yet but did not see many locals. THAT is a problem. But I did see a couple. Good job guys
All 4-6 classes need to be eliminated from motocross. The "parents" have ruined it for the kids. Look, just because you bought your child a motorcycle, does not make you a good parent. F bombs, throwing umbrellas, throwing water bottles. Screaming. Cussing at the Christian motorcycle club. "Help him, he is only 5 years old". As soon as someone did "help". BAM. You guessed it. Protest.
Oh wait I forgot. It's help your kid. Not the other kids.
Anyway. Seen some really good racing. LOVE the sound of the supermini class. Some of those kids can really ride.
The young lady that won the woman's class is talented. The girl that won the 12-16 or whatever it is, is also a great rider and will get even better on a big bike.
Track was GREAT. Nice braking bumps and acceleration chop coming out of deep ruts. Kids would line up to go to the inside. A handful finally used a different line ( less than 3 feet away) and would pass other every lap in those corners.
Had two conversations with Different families during breakfast at the hotel. Good people. They loved the facility and track. Both said they wish they lived closer.
Have not looked at the results yet but did not see many locals. THAT is a problem. But I did see a couple. Good job guys
GeorgiePorgie
PR Founding Father
Gasp. You had to dig deep within yourself to find all that positivity. Good job!
JB19
PR Member
I think the issue with the track layout is due to the amount of space the fair board allows them to work with. I would imagine that b uilding a track on a long narrow strip of land is a tough task.
GeorgiePorgie
PR Founding Father
Well at $293 to get in the gate the fair board should realize the amount of capital that can be brought in. Give em room to expand !!!!
Double D
PR Founding Father
The track last year worked much better. This year, The few changes corralled you into one fast line. So to pass , you had to comakazi the other un touched 17 feet of track.
The reason for the crashes on the easy step up and double was the rollers are close to the face of the jump. The landings were round and safe, coming up short was not the issue.
This is not just my opinion, this is what I heard from the "racers".
The reason for the crashes on the easy step up and double was the rollers are close to the face of the jump. The landings were round and safe, coming up short was not the issue.
This is not just my opinion, this is what I heard from the "racers".
pape718
PR Member
I would like to meet those two people because every outer towner we were camped by said if this is voted Ohio best track they were never coming back to Ohio not one person said they liked it, for us we knew what we were getting from being a local didnt expect much more than what we got. It is a nice place but just dont think it a regional caliber track but neither is Sunday Creek. I think all regionals should be held at one of the national tracks if were looking for the best rider then throw them on one of the better tracks, and all of this qualifying at the regionals is bs you already qualified if they want to do that then run qualifying then start with clean slate for the next two motos there were people there that should have not been there crashing the faster kids because they could hardly ride a bike.
John250
PR Founding Father
I was not there but all valid points. CTMX runs a great program, but I've never been a huge fan of the track. And I didn't like it as well last year as in previous versions going the other direction.
Eliminate people going to 3 and 4 regions. You race your region and 40 guys male the regional.
As for the parents....well, can't fix stupidity. They think Johnny is going to be the next dungey at 6 years old. It's in basketball, football and soccer too. I see it all the time. It's a wonder some of these kids want to race or play sports at all. I coach my son at the races and give him advice, but never throw a fit, and act like a total jack ass.....hes 13 and learning.
Eliminate people going to 3 and 4 regions. You race your region and 40 guys male the regional.
As for the parents....well, can't fix stupidity. They think Johnny is going to be the next dungey at 6 years old. It's in basketball, football and soccer too. I see it all the time. It's a wonder some of these kids want to race or play sports at all. I coach my son at the races and give him advice, but never throw a fit, and act like a total jack ass.....hes 13 and learning.
BriarcliffMx
PR Founding Father
The absolute worst things I have seen in my tenure at BC have come from the 50 classes. 1 incident bordering on a call to the sheriffs department. Its that bad.
Rowe276dad
PR Member
8 Area Qualifiers that allow 8 riders to advance to the Regional, 8x8=64. It has nothing to do with running outside your region. What needs to be fixed is the number of riders that advance. If only 4 riders show up at a Area Qualifier, than only a % advance. This would make for better racing.
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hershey
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You have just now realized this??? Its one thing to be screaming for your kid cheering them on, I get that and I do it. But its a whole different thing when the yelling is profanity, anger and turns to violence. last year and towards the end of the year before that ( when we first started in the pw class ) I got into 3 altercations with parents simply because I told them to lighten up. Whats more sad than the parents is the total lack of caring by officials. certain parents at that time were known to have major melt downs on their children and everyone , except me it seemed, turned their back to it. Kind of like the pit riding problem. Or the 5 kids I saw jumping the finish line table on a yellow flag when a rider had crashed on the landing of it. The rules exist but nobody has the back bone to enforce them.
We had an absolute blast this weekend. The kids were riding and playing, eating junk food and riding hover boards. No generators to be heard, grass every where. CTMX has a fantastic facility and puts on a fantastic event!! Putting on a regional for the first time has to be a massive undertaking and a learning experience. The program did run a little long saturday but Sunday was much quicker. All in all I think they did ok.
The only issues I had were , you knew it was coming,
#1 The cost..... FAR more expensive than any regional Ive been to. $50 and night for camping when it normally is $30 for the camper hookups. They did change the primitive camping price from $25 to $10. I wonder if they gave refunds to the people who paid $25??? But seriously, even $10 is a rip off. NO other track I have ever been to charges you to primitive camp, that is what the admission fee for the weekend is. For me and my 2 kids it was $250 to get through the gate thurs evening. Im sorry but that is outrageous. Then the escore ..... I bought our transponders last year so this year I renewed them at Ironman for $58 each. At CTMX the renewal fee at the escore trailer was $70 .... WTF? Then add the $10 for a printout of the classes with all the riders lap times.....yes $10 for 6 pieces of paper over the weekend for one class with practice after paying out the nose for a transponder. Everyone wants to say money isnt killing mx, it is. For one class at a regional the entry fees and gate fees ended up costing me $398. Thats not including parts, fuel, transport costs, ect, simply entry and scoring fees. There are a lot of people who arent as fortunate as us that can afford to do this. My parents couldnt have when I was young, I couldnt have when I was in college. When I tried in the mid 90's it wasnt much more than a normal local race.
#2 The track just inst regional caliber. It is far too narrow for groups of riders running close to the same pace to pass on. Pape is correct, regionals should be held on national tracks only. For local racing its great, just not this size of race. I didnt hear any nice comments from parents or riders either. I think for local races and Area qualifiers CTMX is fantastic! They put on one hell of an event.
#3 Most importantly for me was the safety on the track. Flaggers have always come under fire for any race. At this major event I heard about and witnessed myself multiple times flaggers watching riders come in their direction instead of going away from them and over the obstacle they are to be watching. The spectators were yelling at flaggers to wave too many times. Now lets talk about the 4-6 classes and 7-8 classes..... Those kids need help when going down most of the time. Since parents arent allowed on the track usually you have many track personel helping. Last year at NCMP they had about 8-10 employees on quads policing the track to help downed riders quickly. CTMX had one quad and one side by side. I saw more than a few kids down for a minute or more before any attention was given to them!!! 2 times I personally saw, my son being one, kids needing help less than 50' from a flagger and nobody even saw them until the crowd was able to get the attention of a flagger. Like I said earlier, there was a downed rider on the landing of the finish line jump in the 50cc 7-8 class, the flaggers did a great job of putting the yellow flag out right away yet the next 5 kids, all on the lead pack, jumped on the yellow flag! No penalty was given or even mentioned.
We had fun but I just think this was a bit over whelming. All in all Id still say it went well for a first shot. Fantastic facility just not a track for this size of an event. If it were 10' wider everywhere and a little bigger I think they could make it happen really well.