Leatt Street Brace

TCracing said:
I could never make that statement. Any form of protection has got to be better than None. Even if it isn't perfect, as NOHING is perfect or completely failsafe!
A helmet can potentially cause harm in certain situations (the face mask could potentially get caught on something and BREAK YOUR KNECK) But I would never suggest NOT wearing a helmet. Everyone has their own opinions and perspective, I just hope I can influence you to change your mind.
I like the look of that Sportbike model, there may be something there with that being crossed into MX?
I think neck braces should be mandatory by the AMA (especially for the PRO's just like helmets and boots) there I said it. Let the BASHING begin...
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I understand your feelings on the neck brace, but what data is their in supporting your observation that is more protection? Boots and helmets have documentation. Back in the 70's when I started racing, a Kidney belt was thought to be "required equipment". Nobody really wears them anymore. Just a thought......
 
TCracing said:
I could never make that statement. Any form of protection has got to be better than None. Even if it isn't perfect, as NOHING is perfect or completely failsafe!
A helmet can potentially cause harm in certain situations (the face mask could potentially get caught on something and BREAK YOUR KNECK) But I would never suggest NOT wearing a helmet. Everyone has their own opinions and perspective, I just hope I can influence you to change your mind.
I like the look of that Sportbike model, there may be something there with that being crossed into MX?
I think neck braces should be mandatory by the AMA (especially for the PRO's just like helmets and boots) there I said it. Let the BASHING begin...
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helmets are dot and snell approved. neck braces are not. have you ever even seen any neck brace testing results? theres more to a brace design than it just stopping your neck from breaking. i could build something im my garage thatll solve that problem. but the force can not only be transfered to other parts of the body, but it can be amplified. therefor a crash that you could have walked away from, was made much worse because of a poorly designed brace. thats why there should be better testing from someone outside of the manufactures. NOTE: IM NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH ANY BRACE. IM NOT SAYING THAT THE BRACES ARE POORLY DESIGNED AND IM ALSO NOT SAYING DONT WEAR A NECK BRACE. what you should do however, if your so concerned about mandating them for the pro's (why just the pros are your concern doesnt make sense, but w/e) is call up the AMA and ask why they dont have outside testing manditory for saftey equipment that they are allowing to be used. they dont allow you to use a helmet thats not approved by their standards. and this isnt bashing btw
 
TCracing said:
Yeah, I see your point with the helmets such as Dot, Snell testing which gives you some sort of benchmark for safety tests. BUT what about boots? Same sort of thing as neck braces. Yes they are very cumbersome (PUTT around in an old pair of work boots for a couple days, then put your riding boots back on). Also no real testing I know of, But I would think it would be hard to argue that RIDING BOOTS are not better to have as not.
I am sure there could be improvements, But to suggest or choose not to wear a neck brace is the same as not wearing boots (there available and it seems foolish not to use it.) Don't hate, I'm just saying!!!
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really, comparing a neck brace with boots? wow.
 
barrington314 said:
helmets are dot and snell approved. neck braces are not. have you ever even seen any neck brace testing results? theres more to a brace design than it just stopping your neck from breaking. i could build something im my garage thatll solve that problem. but the force can not only be transfered to other parts of the body, but it can be amplified. therefor a crash that you could have walked away from, was made much worse because of a poorly designed brace. thats why there should be better testing from someone outside of the manufactures. NOTE: IM NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH ANY BRACE. IM NOT SAYING THAT THE BRACES ARE POORLY DESIGNED AND IM ALSO NOT SAYING DONT WEAR A NECK BRACE. what you should do however, if your so concerned about mandating them for the pro's (why just the pros are your concern doesnt make sense, but w/e) is call up the AMA and ask why they dont have outside testing manditory for saftey equipment that they are allowing to be used. they dont allow you to use a helmet thats not approved by their standards. and this isn't bashing btw
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I agree with the analogy. I have personally seen the neck brace had nearly severed my brothers spin at the T6-T7 area. Doctor said that the brace took the impact on the head and transfered it down to that area. Oh yes, I know he "Coulda, Woulda Shoulda" been paralyzed if he didn't have it on. Well , in his 21 years of racing before that, it didn't happen. The first time he broke his neck (small fracture that had to be fused) at Millville and he figured it was a freak thing. Next year at Budd's Creek augured into the ground and broke the T6-T7. He now has hardware in his back, AKA Doug Henry, only higher in his back. He still races, but he is a bit slower also.

Mike Alessi used to wear a Alpinestar neck brace, and he is still sponsoered by Alpinestars. Doesn't anymore. Purcell broke his back, so you would think he would wear one if it had advantages. Just an observation..
 
honda907 said:
Mike Alessi used to wear a Alpinestar neck brace, and he is still sponsoered by Alpinestars. Doesn't anymore. Purcell broke his back, so you would think he would wear one if it had advantages. Just an observation..
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riders off the top of my head that dont wear them... james stewart, malcolm stewart, chad reed, ricky carmichael, jason lawrence, josh hansen, pourcel, christian craig, nick wey, austin stroupe, jake weimer, brett metcalf, ivan tedesco... some of these guys use to wear them. wish they would share why they dont.
 
Don't get me wrong. I agree more testing should be done and improvements can and should be done. I have read many posts on here and other sights and Mag's about the Pro's and Con's of Neck braces. I am convinced that some (not throwing anyone, or particular product under the bus) may in fact be "detrimental by design" in CERTAIN situations. So I agree. there should be testing and it should be done by someone other than the manufacturers. But to suggest or choose NOT to wear a neck brace when they are available is Crazy! IMO
We could get into the complexities of the human body, and debate forever, all the possible situations
As for Why the Pro's? Well, that to me is a minimum mandatory, as they are the ones people are watching on TV. So little Johny doesn't say "Well SO and SO doesn't wear one, why should I?
I guess its sort of like gloves. No testing has been done but it would be hard to argue that it is not better to wear gloves. I know its not the same but you get my point.
 
Yeah' I say every once in a while WHY? Don't forget the Feestyle guys that don't use them. I would guess its because of restriction and or bulky feeling? I don't know, but I have said the same thing and I just can't believe they don't.
If you look at NASCAR the neck and head restraint systems were passionately apposed by the drivers after being introduced. Some drivers got into trouble over it I believe. Same sort of thing I guess.
 
These are available too, I think people who dont wear them are CRAZY! .. what if you go off the track into a pond?
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really, comparing a neck brace with boots? wow.

YEAH, is it better to wear boots? YES
is it better to wear a neck brace? YES
 
TCracing said:
Yeah' I say every once in a while WHY? Don't forget the Feestyle guys that don't use them. I would guess its because of restriction and or bulky feeling? I don't know, but I have said the same thing and I just can't believe they don't.
If you look at NASCAR the neck and head restraint systems were passionately apposed by the drivers after being introduced. Some drivers got into trouble over it i believe. Same sort of thing I guess.
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The Hans device has support to back it. Just a thought....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HANS_device
 
joshmuthaf said:
these are available too, i think people who dont wear them are crazy! .. What if you go off the track into a pond?
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too funny!

I am done posting Night all!
 
Thank you for the point.
There is no way to make anything completely failsafe, or to ascertain every possible situation. all we can do is use the resources available.
but we should make use of what we have available and not discredit them.
Bottom line, I think people should use the safety equipment available if at all possible, and I would advocate anyone else to do the same.
but I seem to be in the minority on this subject and I hope I can sway some who may be on the fence to at least consider wearing neck braces.
 
I think TC works for a neck brace company. He keeps pushing neckbraces and avoiding the point that everyone else is trying to make. Neck braces seem like a good idea in theory, but aren't refined to the same standards as other safety equipment we wear. They have the potential to cause the same harm as what they're designed to avoid. Which can be rather life altering or worse. Neck braces are a double edged sword so to speak, I'll continue not wearing one.
 
JoshmuthaF said:
I think TC works for a neck brace company. He keeps pushing neckbraces and avoiding the point that everyone else is trying to make. Neck braces seem like a good idea in theory, but aren't refined to the same standards as other safety equipment we wear. They have the potential to cause the same harm as what they're designed to avoid. just diverting it to another part of the body.
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LOL. NO I have no interest in any Neck Brace company. I just can't fathom not using a neck brace if it is available. I understand they are not perfect and if you want to go to extremes, you would have to wear a suit of armer wrapped in a plastic bubble and never leave your house to be SAFE. Its impossible to predict every situation. I just think in general anyone is better off with the protection.
 
You can't compare boots to neck braces. If your boot causes you to break you foot/ankle/leg, I'm pretty sure you'll be fine in 6-8 weeks.
 
TCracing said:
really, comparing a neck brace with boots? wow.

YEAH, is it better to wear boots? YES
is it better to wear a neck brace? YES
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Break your foot/ankle you have no chance of being paralyzed or severing the vital spinal cord that transmits impulses to that foot, body...lungs and your heart...

Is it better to wear a neck brace ? YES. False. Not proven. Since boots ankle injury / foot injury declined. Since neck braces neck injuries have not. T5 t6 injury on the rise....correlations? You decide.

Your neck is the only place in your body designed by nature to hyperextend...god or evolution or whatever people believe...aliens...it was intended for a reason or else your knees and elbows would all do it too. The neck needs to be able to move and roll, hence why the head is round...to roll out of a straight on impact...or else we would have a hammerhead-like shark noggin. Sharks don't need to roll. Flat heads. Terrible analogy I'm sorry but its just as rationale as comparing boots to neck braces.

And I'm not attacking you personally, I no problems with you and respect you stating your opinions.
 
TC you want to buy a nice only worn a few times Leatt?? lol.. I think I am going to get rid of mine. 1 crash, 1 broken collarbone..not a good record with it on.

I see pros and cons of it but with so many people stopping wearing them and lack of proof that its doing what its supposed to do... I just dont think its what its cracked up to be anymore.

Like Jon said I kind of jumped on it (later than most though) just because it seemed like what I was supposed to do...
 
if i new before, what i know now, id ride bare foot. these boots are causing way too many back injuries. something must be done! ;)
 
I would personally rather break my collarbone than my neck or spine. No I don't want to buy a Leatt. My son has had some pretty bad spills while wearing an EVS NECK BRACE and I am convinced had he not been wearing it, He would have been severely injured. THE NECK BRACE DID ITS JOB at least TWICE, and possibly a third instance, So I am sold.
As for the designs, I think there is room for improvement. IE, why I like the look of the SPORT BIKE MODEL starting this post.
 
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