Hey LuckyStar64....hope you don't have a 401K...Obama is coming for it...

AHRMA361

PR Founding Father
Hey Tony.....you are right in that other post on healthcare....elections do have consequences....hope this isn't one of them! A new way for our government to "spread the wealth around".....read on:


From investors.com

Does Government Want To Drain Americans' 401(k) Plan?

Posted 11/28/2012 06:39 PM ET


War On Wealth: As Washington debates what to do about the fiscal cliff that it foolishly created, many potential sources of new revenue will be thrown on the table. One of them is likely to be 401(k) plans.

Retirement is an American's reasonable expectation. We put money into investment plans so that our work today funds our hard-earned leisure of tomorrow.

But many in Washington see our investment accounts not as the expressions of well-planned, disciplined decisions but as untapped reservoirs of wealth they can drain to fix the problems that they caused.

The tax protection that 401(k)s have now can be wiped out by grasping politicians who refuse to do what's right, which is to severely cut spending.

The war on retirement, particularly 401(k)s, is quiet now. But that's because it's a cold war.

And like the postwar tensions between the East and West, it could erupt at any time into a hot war.

One group of retirement plan professionals is warning that the hostilities might be closer than many of us think. The American Society of Pension Professionals and Actuaries launched on Monday, according to Reuters, "a media campaign intended to educate U.S. employers and workers that the federal government might consider changing the tax benefits of retirement savings accounts."

A website set up by the ASPPA advises account holders to tell lawmakers to "keep their hands off your retirement savings" and explains that "Congress needs to reduce the deficit, and part of deficit reduction will most likely be 'tax reform' that increases tax revenue" — the strong suggestion being that Washington is coming after Americans' 401(k)s.

If the ASPPA were alone in issuing its warnings, it could be written off as the hyperbole of an isolated group. But Washington's lust for Americans' retirement investments is well documented.

President Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, for instance, proposed lowering the cap on the amount workers could place in their 401(k)s without incurring taxes.

And nearly three years ago, Newt Gingrich and Peter Ferrara wrote on these pages about the Treasury and Labor departments "asking for public comment on 'the conversion of 401(k) savings and Individual Retirement Accounts into annuities or other steady payment streams.'"

"In plain English," said Gingrich and Ferrara, "the idea is for the government to take your retirement savings in return for a promise to pay you some monthly benefit in your retirement years."


Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/ibd-edito...-the-table-for-fiscal-cliff.htm#ixzz2De1qzmzX
 
Dr. Ghilarducci, a labor economist with many years of experience supporting these plans.

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Mark Levin exposes her positions in an interview. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuLfcROlrSg
 
Hypotheticals about "taking your 401(k)" are interesting. Who knows what the dimbulbs
in Washington will do with your and my money?

Lowering the cap on 401(k) eligibility is not "taking your 401(k)" and Newt Gingrich
will, hopefully, fade off into whatever hell there is for adulterers.
 
What a bunch of m*****f***ers the federal government are. I would love to share a story with ya about how me and my siblings got screwed on miliions of dollars b/c of the Death Tax, but I don't want to put it on here.

I'm not a history major, and hell-- I'm not even a high school graduate. I do know that our forefathers would have bailed out on the U.S. of A. that we're turning into here. I'm often wondering why we don't pull out of here and start over someplace else, where we can in the words of Jeff Spicoli-- "Get some cool rules"... Someplace where some puny health insurance nimrod isn't going to try and tell me that if I get injured racing my KLX110 and TTR125-- I'm not covered because I'm engaged in a risk intensive activity.... ---L*64
 
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Hypotheticals about "taking your 401(k)" are interesting. Who knows what the dimbulbs
in Washington will do with your and my money?

Lowering the cap on 401(k) eligibility is not "taking your 401(k)" and Newt Gingrich
will, hopefully, fade off into whatever hell there is for adulterers.
http://www.gpn.org/bp204.html

It's long but doesn't take long to get the gist.

It's not your and my money, it's Washington's money.
 
Great, the gov wants to control our retirement savings using the social security administration. They cant do a good job with what they have now. AND its MANDITORY. Eff this socialist government Obama is creating. I make money to support me and MY family. It is not the gov right to take my money and give it to others or tell me how I HAVE to spend it.


Again I hope all you Obama fans are happy with the country he is trying to make. We are slowly but surely loosing control of our freedoms that our forefathers fought so valiantly for.
 
our freedoms that our forefathers fought so valiantly for.

I wonder if us now could hack it then? Obama is not cool for sure. To add insult to injury...I seen on the weather channel today about the northern ice cap melting at 5x's the rate it was 10-15 years ago. Tons of sketchy stuff going on in the world. My choice is to keep caring about the people in my life, work hard and push forward...and ride! Let the chips fall where they may. If I ever get the open door to do something or stand up for something that is right; besides on a daily basis, but on a national level, I would.

Man, the grilling we would get from our fore fathers. They would prolly lead a stand to impeach obama or straight take over washingon.
 
What a bunch of m*****f***ers the federal government are. I would love to share a story with ya about how me and my siblings got screwed on miliions of dollars b/c of the Death Tax, but I don't want to put it on here.

I'm not a history major, and hell-- I'm not even a high school graduate. I do know that our forefathers would have bailed out on the U.S. of A. that we're turning into here. I'm often wondering why we don't pull out of here and start over someplace else, where we can in the words of Jeff Spicoli-- "Get some cool rules"... Someplace where some puny health insurance nimrod isn't going to try and tell me that if I get injured racing my KLX110 and TTR125-- I'm not covered because I'm engaged in a risk intensive activity.... ---L*64

History simplified - Our forefathers fought for independance from a tyranny that was so far away it took months for them to even try to enforce their taxes imposed on colonists that were far less repressive and far more laxly enforced than todays taxes and today's IRS, and the king they fought against was far more tolerant of individual freedom than todays US government. I believe Jefferson said "Here is your democracy, if you can hold onto it." It took less than 150 years for us to become more repressive than the nation we separated from.
 
Who the heck is the Economic Policy Institute and since when did they make laws?

Their idea is obviously crap.
 
I went to the Tea Party Museum over the weekend in Boston. The same kind of revote is going to have to happen again in America for people to wake up. A 5 million man march on the steps of congress......all of us packing our CCW permits and weapons. I say this half in jest, but really, we are going to get to a point where some angry white men are going to march on the capitol. We are quickly becoming the minority, but paying the majority. Something has got to change. And the reps in Washington just dont get it yet.
 
I went to the Tea Party Museum over the weekend in Boston. The same kind of revote is going to have to happen again in America for people to wake up. A 5 million man march on the steps of congress......all of us packing our CCW permits and weapons. I say this half in jest, but really, we are going to get to a point where some angry white men are going to march on the capitol. We are quickly becoming the minority, but paying the majority. Something has got to change. And the reps in Washington just dont get it yet.

Well said John, couldn't agree more.
 
The modern Tea Party made the difference in 2010. The Democrats and the Republican Party hierarchy initially had difficulty coming to terms with an actual, grass roots, patriotic, conservative movement. But they understood it well enough to diminish it's presence in 2012. And the election results showed just that. They say the Tea Party is dead. But it's very much alive.
 
The modern Tea Party made the difference in 2010. The Democrats and the Republican Party hierarchy initially had difficulty coming to terms with an actual, grass roots, patriotic, conservative movement. But they understood it well enough to diminish it's presence in 2012. And the election results showed just that. They say the Tea Party is dead. But it's very much alive.

All movements need a leader, the tea party lacks a good leader. The ideas and vibe of the tea party does appeal to so many people because it symbolizes change, everyone wants change, but without someone directing that energy there will be no serious prgress to be made.
 
Ulitimately you may be looking at a class warfare to bring real change.

You would have to take over Washington and kick out the lobbyist and every big money special interest group that runs the show behind the scene. Then they would try and starve you out and bankrupt you through the market, Wall street and industry manipulation, and oil and gas control.

I'm not sure anything less than a confrontation at this level would ever cleanse the system enough to change anything.

Unfortunately, there are so many dependants on the government system now that you may never get enough willing to risk what they have and have coming in to back you.

KO that's an interesting article you posted on the Gauranteed Retirement Accounts. Thats the first I've seen on that.
 
That or a complete economic breakdown. Something like what has happened in Greece or other countries.

If the economy tanks and a loaf of bread costs $1000 or gas is $100 a gallon there will be BIG change! At this point it could happen. I doubt it will but it is a possibility.
 
I personnally see the American economy getting worse again not better. I know too many people that it seems are making less money, insurance cost and everything else is increasing. Some of us are seeing tax increases going into effect January 1. And the cost of gas is killing my family. Not sure about others. We drive so much, if gas would just go down to about $2 a gallon that would help out a ton.
 
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