Loretta Lynn Qualifier Schedule

[Vet261]

I don't understand why everyone gets so riled up when someone or some company actually makes a profit with motocross racing.

The only thing I see wrong with the current system is that I didn't come up with it!

 

[MX955]

Here is the issue I have with the whole system. You should NOT have to go to a regional and qualify at a regional. That tells me that it is nothing more than a money grab. Once you make it to the regional, there should be 40 riders in each class. no more, Qualifiers as many as show up race, and there may be qualifiers. But at the regional, you should only have 40 riders per class, Just my opinion.

This I agree with, line them up and race!

I don't see the problem with people going to other Areas to qualify, gives people more opportunities to ride bigger races and see more tracks.

 

[ck1racerx]

[QUOTE="Vet261, post: 635470, member: 11834"
The only thing I see wrong with the current system is that I didn't come up with it![/QUOTE]

Welcome to my boat. I'm so darn jealous.
But, this also takes away from the "local" tracks running against all the qualifiers and regionals. The current set-up consumes 6 weeks. In a region that only has a 6 month race season, that is a large chunk of time that the "good" riders are chasing the dream out of the area.
We like to talk about memories on this site. Well I remember the lead up to qualifier and regional weeks were a BIG deal. Now, from a distance, that seems watered down.

 

[GeorgiePorgie]

Yea overbooking regionals is what me angry.

But it makes the regional more competitive. As once you hit the second Moto there is another guy possibly two guys with your 7th place tally. And up to 3 guys that won their Heat.

Races all turn into a 3 lap sprint come Sunday at 7pm. Too many overbooked riders and classes to get through.

 

[hershey]

1985 when Malvern was still called Motosport Trail's. It was a total mud bath on Saturday and Sunday morning was still bad, but the track dried out by late afternoon.

I thought motosoprt trails (Run by Gary Pontius) was what finally became spring valley? I know I have trophys from the early 90's racing there and it did become Spring Valley (Ran by Bill ??)

 

[MarctheSharc]

I can not just show up at an Olympic trial and challenge Michael Phillips. You have to qualify from regional races. (I assume)

So what you said is wrong...qualifying for the Olympics has nothing to do with a Home Region. You just have to be able to beat Phelps.

Clearly the timing of different regionals is to grab more money. If someone wants to chase that all over the country, fine. Have at it.

....Wait, now you're ok with it???

I just don't like the idea of diluting the "national"
Now deal with that mental picture I just painted...

Why do you think the current design "dilutes" the national and the old one was better?

 

[John250]

Yea overbooking regionals is what me angry.

But it makes the regional more competitive. As once you hit the second Moto there is another guy possibly two guys with your 7th place tally. And up to 3 guys that won their Heat.

Races all turn into a 3 lap sprint come Sunday at 7pm. Too many overbooked riders and classes to get through.

That's the problem with over booking regionals exactly. End up shorting up motos because they had so many qualifiers and LCQs. If only 40 made a regional, they could run 15 minute plus 1 lap motos, and then the guys that should be at Lorettas are the ones getting there. The regional should be 40 riders per class.

 

[GeorgiePorgie]

Diluting the national would be running qualifiers at the national. Overbook LL. 90 per class.

 

[MarctheSharc]

Here is the issue I have with the whole system. You should NOT have to go to a regional and qualify at a regional.

Why?

Once you make it to the regional, there should be 40 riders in each class. no more, Qualifiers as many as show up race, and there may be qualifiers. But at the regional, you should only have 40 riders per class, Just my opinion.

Why? If you're the fast guy, why would you care?

Sounds like you would like to limit the # of Areas and the # of folks coming from each?

I like the idea of coming from your home region also. This then puts a variety of people from all across the country on the track. So then you can determine a champ.

How is that different than what we have now? and wouldn't excluding someone simply because of location not "dilute" the national???

 

[MarctheSharc]

That's the problem with over booking regionals exactly. End up shorting up motos because they had so many qualifiers and LCQs.

How may "shortened" moto's have you been in at the Regional Level????? how many?

If only 40 made a regional, they could run 15 minute plus 1 lap motos, and then the guys that should be at Lorettas are the ones getting there. The regional should be 40 riders per class.

Are you implying that because of the current system some of the racers don't belong?

 

[John250]

I have only run a handful of qualifiers since I went to Lorettas in the 90s. No reason to spend my money, I don't have LL Speed for the classes I am in.

I just think that when you get to a regional there should be two motos 40 guys. Let the qualifiers weed out the slow ones. Just my opinion. And seems to make sense to me. Seems like anymore than that is nothing more than a money grab. I would think most people would agree with that about regionals.

 

[MarctheSharc]

So yesterday at noon you felt this way about it -

The issue is if you cant make it from your home regional, you don't deserve to go. You crash...ahhhh too bad, try next year.

Want a promotion at work this year? Did you do better then the people you are competing against? No...well that's OK, here is another easier task. You do that just good enough, we will reward you... Life does not work like that. Better to teach kids while they are young.

Making it to the race should not be the goal. You compete to WIN. Now they give out the pathetic "admit one" plaques at the regionals... Come on man... If you are happy with a participation award then just get you bib at the ranch and go home. Save the frontrunners the trouble of dodging you as you get lapped.

Im back BABY... sometimes the truth stings a little. After a while you may start to like and accept it.

And in less than 24 hours you say -

If someone wants to chase that all over the country, fine. Have at it. I just don't like the idea of diluting the "national"

Now deal with that mental picture I just painted...

You’re not able to point to anyway the current system dilutes anything, are you?

 

[Vet261]

I thought motosoprt trails (Run by Gary Pontius) was what finally became spring valley?

What we know as Malvern was originally called Motosport Trails. I don't remember the reason, but they actually closed that track in the late 80's and opened (moved) Motosport Trails to what ended up being renamed to Spring Valley. Then later the original location re-opened as Malvern MX.

 

[MarctheSharc]

I have only run a handful of qualifiers since I went to Lorettas in the 90s.

So, in other words.....you made up that stuff about shortening races just to bolster your position. You have no proof or any truth in that statement...do you?

No reason to spend my money, I don't have LL Speed for the classes I am in.

But yet you feel Daytona is a deal...

I just think that when you get to a regional there should be two motos 40 guys. Let the qualifiers weed out the slow ones. Just my opinion. And seems to make sense to me. Seems like anymore than that is nothing more than a money grab. I would think most people would agree with that about regionals.

Ah-Regionals are 3 moto's ......and you know that
It's the one's they always shorten only when you're there...

 

[MarctheSharc]

I think the night track (Down the Road) that Malvern had a hand in was called Spring Valley as well.

 

[BriarcliffMx]

But, this also takes away from the "local" tracks running against all the qualifiers and regionals. The current set-up consumes 6 weeks.

To a promoter it seems like Russian Roulette in April-May-June. Perception is 12 weeks, but the reality is that's its really the qualifier months. That's when locals try to make it. They're more focused on qualifying and running around to as many as they can. The amount drops down once you get to regional month. You do lose some, but its less I think. Which should be accurate based on the Ohio numbers you post.

 

[MarctheSharc]

To a promoter it seems like Russian Roulette in April-May-June. Perception is 12 weeks, but the reality is that's its really the qualifier months. That's when locals try to make it. They're more focused on qualifying and running around to as many as they can. The amount drops down once you get to regional month. You do lose some, but its less I think. Which should be accurate based on the Ohio numbers you post.

Yep....it sucks when the pretty girl gets all the attention.

 

[ck1racerx]

So yesterday at noon you felt this way about it -




And in less than 24 hours you say -




You’re not able to point to anyway the current system dilutes anything, are you?

I don't think you will see it because you don't want to. It dilutes it because you have several chances to get it right ONCE. Instead of getting it right on the one chance you should get. This is why in nearly every class you have a select few out front by several seconds then another group.. then another, much slower group
The reason I say "have at it" is that is the current way it is according to the rules
And to even quality to beat Phelps you have to first qualify at smaller races (qualifiers)

 

[MarctheSharc]

It dilutes it because you have several chances to get it right ONCE. Instead of getting it right on the one chance you should get.

We are talking about Moto here right?

With that logic ....why do we even bother to run two moto's? Or Three at the ranch?
Why the heats, semi's & LCQ in SX? Why have more than one race in a Championship?
With that way of thinking, the sport should be one moto, winner take all.
Why do you think there are three moto's down at the Ranch? Simply a money grab?

This is why in nearly every class you have a select few out front by several seconds then another group.. then another, much slower group

You feel this is because of the opportunity to race more than one regional? -- ok, please expound.

The reason I say "have at it" is that is the current way it is according to the rules

This way is actually a much Better system in promoting the best talent in the sport.

And to even quality to beat Phelps you have to first qualify at smaller races (qualifiers)

Never disagreed that you'd have to qualify.
You wanted to use Olympic athletes as a benchmark for your example because they have to do it from their home region....and that's just not true.

 

[hershey]

I also believe you should only be able to get in LL out of one regional.

My reasons:

First off, kind of like how the Pro MX was ruined , imo, by giving points per moto and no added bonus for being an overall winner. MX used to also be an endurance sport. The rider who could do the best the entire day in both races got all the points for first, now you can still get first place points for one moto and have a bad 2nd moto and get no points. The regionals are the same, if you do bad at one race you just drive down the road and try again. Lets say you do well and knock out a guy who only raced one region and was on the bubble. Now he is out and isnt going.....maybe it was a bad day for him and it was better than the other guys bad day .... but now he is out when he shouldnt have been.

Next you have guys running regionals in more than one region. I witnessed 2 things last year ....both instances teh rider at fault was already in from another region. #1....rider took out 5 kids in a crash. 2 didnt make another moto and both were up front in the first moto. #2.... most riders who are in already will pull of the last lap or pull out of the last moto but one didnt and placed in the top 6 getting a 2nd ticket for the same class. Im not sure if something was done about it or not.

Its not my place to say if its right or wrong but I dont believe its right. It wont help me do any better and it wont change the fact that I have fun racing at the area and regional levels. So much of any racing isnt what somebody wants but other love. Its human nature.

One thing I honestly believe is wrong is the age requirements for the youth classes. In those classes its the childs age at jan 1, for vet classes its the age aprox 1 week prior to the National. It should be the latter for both groups. For children, especially the younger ones, having 6-7 month growth advantage is huge both physically and mentally. A seven year old with a 7 month advantage equates to a huge part of his/her life!!! For vets who really cares? We are are moving the other direction.